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<0> well, the Germans are then also losers, and heck, the UK doesn't have much of an empire anymore..
<0> as far as arrogant, I see more than enough of that in many countries, not excepting our own
<0> hence the reputation of American tourists in Europe as fat, loud and stupid, for example
<0> not that all are, of course.
<1> all generalizations, including americans being loud and fat and french being arrogant pussies, have at least some basis in reality
<0> if one wants ot speak of criticisms of national character, such as exists, then every nation has its own failings, and its own advantages
<0> the US, Germany, Japan, France, the UK, etc
<0> now, there are valid reasons to criticize the French for particularly French characteristics, and there are valid reasons that those characteristics exist as a tendency
<1> i am sure there are perfectly valid historical reasons why france as a nation behaves something like a court jester or an impetulant child
<1> however that does not change the facts that when they look at themselves in the mirror, that is not what they see
<2> you can call france pussies all you like but at least they have the balls to riot unlike the american public which would never riot unless all of the cable channels magically shut off
<2> not that riots are right, just making a point
<0> it depends on the issue for example. Was withdrawing from Algeria the action of a 'petulant child'?
<1> rioting is not to be admired - it's a childish response
<2> i agree but my point was that no matter what happened the us population is sedated with m*** media
<1> i personally am in favor, for instance, when LA was rioting, of just going in with the national guard and everyone who's still on the streets in 5 minutes gets shot
<1> umm, sounds like you have an axe to grind
<0> the LA riots were idiotic and based on the idea that a criminal on drugs who was involved in a highspeed chase, at his own instigation, was somehow the offended party
<1> Timur- why were they still in algeria in the first place in this day & age?
<2> no im just saying we're a bunch of lazy apathetic bastards
<0> Null: it was a colony.
<0> actually, it was a dpartement
<1> Timur- exactly. anyone who thinks it's the right thing to do to riot in that circumstance does not deserve to be a citizen.
<3> Actually I think the American Public is surrounded with enough successful situations on millions of personal levels...they see no need to riot
<0> meaning, in effect, the equivalent of a US state
<0> or territory
<0> why are we still in Puerto Rico? :)
<3> In other words overall America is a huge sucess story for the vast majority of the public
<1> because they want us there
<0> not all of them
<3> has nothing to do with the media
<1> most of them
<1> they have voted on it several times
<2> rond, imo technical and material pleasures have a lot to do with our sedation
<1> puerto rico is a net money losing proposition for the US. we are still there because we don't want to turn their backs on them when they still want us.
<3> I disaggree
<2> the average american doesnt give a rats *** about politics and things going on in the world etc
<3> and that is a good thing pixies
<2> ehh no its not
<2> an informed population is good for everyone
<3> I would much rather be in a position to have to worry about my next round of golf than something going on the world stage
<0> ignorance is nothing good
<3> that is a sign that the times are good
<0> except the idea we're actually in that position is a false one.
<0> we can't afford to not pay strict attention or learn about the rest of the world.
<0> that's one lesson 9/11 should have taught
<1> yes, how can we know where to drop the bombs if we do not know our geography :]
<0> that's part of it, sure
<0> but policy formulation, and proper information, and the maximum degree of understanding are key in making effective policy
<3> Timur how many decisions have you made in the last two years that you really weighed into that decision "World Politics"
<0> scuse the unintended redundancy
<1> i'm not exactly comforted we elected a president who is proud he never read the newspaper
<4> i seriously don't think anyone cares what your opinion is about the president
<0> he has advisers who help him formulate policy, tho
<1> Timur- before he was president?
<0> but still, I was speaking of the public more generally
<3> You can watch and learn about the goings on of the rest of the world all you want...but in reality how often in the last few years have you decided off of something in your personal life because of something going on on the world stage
<1> `426Hemi good morning
<0> Null: nope, but before that, he didn't formulate national policy
<4> its not like the news papers are all tat ****ing accurate anyway
<2> rond, you would decide whether or not to travel to a country with a civil war or where to invest your money etc
<0> rond: in terms of formulating opinions about strategies in dealing with the world, quite a lot.
<2> and more if i thought about it
<5> I decided not to take a trip to Nepal
<5> based on world politics
<1> `426Hemi hmm... so... the newspapers are not all that ****ing accurate, so why bother trying to keep up?
<0> which seems to be a fairly frequent topic here
<3> Ok that is a vacation what about real life
<3> buying a house
<3> changing a long term goal
<0> joining the foreign service
<0> writing papers about international relations
<1> I decided not to go to China this year...
<1> But that was a vacation.
<0> yeah, people do travel internationally, too.
<4> thats too bad
<3> writing papers about internation relations is not a decision point
<4> you should really consider going
<3> and I have several relatives who have traveled internationall many times since 9/11
<3> My parents for one
<1> `426Hemi is just hoping I will be arrested in a graffiti incident
<5> America Online noticed that nearly 23 percent of males aged 13 to 18 use "***", as all or part of their p***word. Only two percent of females in the same age group did the same.
<3> my sister just got back from italy this weekend
<0> ok, and they probably care to some degree what's happening in the places they intend to visit
<2> haha null
<1> Herzen i wonder if they were surprised
<0> at least, they should
<5> The heaviest recorded rat weighed 26.2 pounds, and was found in a sewer in New York City.
<6> My mother and stepfather travel internationally. I know they consider these things when they're looking at planning a trip.
<0> rond: it can be, if one is in academia or policymaking circles
<0> writing papers, that is
<4> what is AOL doing tracking peoples p***words?
<3> [19:04] <+ThePixies> you can call france pussies all you like but at least they have the balls to riot unlike the american public which would never riot unless all of the cable channels magically shut off
<3> [19:05] <+ThePixies> not that riots are right, just making a point
<3> [19:06] <+ThePixies> i agree but my point was that no matter what happened the us population is sedated with m*** media
<3> That is what I am arguing against
<4> that is the more important question in my opinion=p
<0> Katey: it'd seem only to be common sense
<5> Riots = bad
<0> I mean, there's such a thing as a healthy amount of intellectual curiousity
<5> Therefore its good that Americans do not riot.
<3> I just don't think americans are not rioting because there sedated by the m*** media
<1> aol has an interest in its users picking secure p***words to cut down on fraud
<0> a lack of that is ignorance, and that's sad and wasteful, not to mention unproductive and inefficient
<1> they just need to toughen their p***word rules
<5> Actually, if you want to create a more complex argument about that, one could argue that because of the high level of political socialization in America, the very civilized political culture where one group generally accepts another groups political views even if they disagree with them, politically related violence like riots rarely occur
<6> riots are generally bad, and I think they're usually a symptom of pretty serious social and political problems (obviously).
<0> Katey: agree
<5> Katey-, or a ****ty political culture
<3> [19:07] <+rond> Actually I think the American Public is surrounded with enough successful situations on millions of personal levels...they see no need to riot
<3> [19:07] <+rond> In other words overall America is a huge sucess story for the vast majority of the public
<5> Katey-, I'll tell you what, Students in Canada would NOT riot because of that law
<6> Americans would riot if there were intense social and political problems and no other percieved outlet for venting public frustration
<7> Prince William County - A 13-year-old Saunders Middle School student was arrested by Prince William County police after a handgun he was carrying fired one round on a school bus Thursday afternoon.
<7> The pistol belonged to his father, a U.S. Park Police officer.
<1> i will say one thing for the students in france who rioted ... they got the law changed.
<7> remember kids, only members of the police force are qualified to have handguns!
<5> Katey-, the fact that the French are rioting at the drop of a hat is more telling about their political culture then the actual problems
<6> Herzen, I think it's a combination of both
<5> Katey-, In my opinion anyways
<7> Katey: the only ones that seem ready and willing to riot are.. certain members of the black community. And even they, have settled down
<4> not to mention rond, that government for the most part does not regulate industries ability to hire or fire you
<0> to some degree it does
<3> AND THATS A VERY GOOD THING RUSTY
<0> EOE
<3> oops
<3> sorry
<0> YEAH
<0> you just wanted to yell, admit it
<3> No I code in caps for all keywords
<4> hehhehe
<7> well, most states are "right to work", and the only real protection are for various discrimination
<4> brb, going out for a smoke
<7> nail another nail..
<1> ROME (AP) - A century-old tree fell on a group of deaf tourists in central Italy on Sunday, killing a man and injuring seven people who were unable to hear a bus driver's shout of alarm, police said.
<1> if a tree falls in the forest, and you are deaf, does it make a sound?
<5> I got a new jpop cd
<5> its nice
<0> jpop?
<5> pop from japan
<3> I got a new house
<0> ah
<0> ok, I have a trip upcoming
<5> rond, i'm moving into my new apartment in afew days, moving out of this one tomorrow
<3> thats nice
<5> rond, how many sq ft is u house?
<3> 4000
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