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<0> thankie cry unit
<1> Free: I think so too, but we don't KNOW
<2> OcDoc its common sense, it requires no "data" you merely refuse to accept it
<3> bmc is the type that is an ungrateful ****
<4> welcome Nikie Unit
<1> FRee: we make these decisions on incomplete info
<1> Free: and approximate economic models
<3> bmc would be complaining about "the man"
<5> http://www.ogrish.com/archives/north_korean_interrogation_video_Feb_15_2006.html
<1> bmc: unfortunately you have no sense and sense is not common
<3> Publius would be like "more money more money more money!"
<6> such people are roadblocks on the highway to prosperity
<3> you know whats sad?
<1> you could come to the conclusion that the elitists come to that only the experts know what's best for us ... I come to a different conclusion
<3> bmc is whiner
<6> dead people are sad
<3> publius is a 17 year old kid
<6> well not the dead people themselves
<3> hahahaha
<3> i mean thats sad
<1> some things are not meant to be decided ... they should be left alone as much as possible and only regulated when there is NO CHOICE
<7> OcDoc, I think I can extrapolate. Say of the 12 million only 3 millon rent apts or homes. thats 4 per house. What the value of loss of 3 million renters, and the income that the landlord made which he can no longer spend and home depot to fix the place or to take a vacation in Georgia. And when the guy in Georgia who works as a tour guide for a national monument doesnt have as many visitors they start laying off people and the to
<3> bmc has been on here for a year now whining about "the man"
<7> who is layed off doesnt buy that washing machine that the guy in Kentucky Makes for a living.
<6> I know "The Man"... he lives about two houses down from my place
<3> i have never heard Publius whine
<7> And some of them get layed off .
<7> You know its a snowball..
<7> And that just loss of rent alone.
<1> FRee: well, you have the basic understanding of a dynamic economy, where nothing can change in one area without changing lots of other areas at the same time
<3> How many more times!
<3> Treat me the way you wanna do!
<3> How many more times!
<1> Free: we might disagree on the specifics of exactly HOW things would change, but some people don't have that basic understanding ... they see only one factor or at most two at the same time
<3> gotta love led zep
<7> Loss of income, Loss of Productivity to the economy. 17% of construction workers it is said are illegal in California. Well nobody cares about California because they dont live here but they forget than they buy product from Iowa and Maine and Tennessee..
<6> for me, rock music ended when ELP called it a day
<3> tarkus no way man
<7> 17% of the labor force removed in an industry means companies go backrupt or people fight for the remaining workers with inflation causing wages, and then also people just dont remodel anymore.
<3> rock music still exists
<3> +)
<1> Free: economists have complex multifactorial computer models and even THEY can't agree on how things are affected
<8> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20980_***y_Summer_Swimwear&only
<2> simple numbers, if the average wage is $6/hr and you get alot of people (illegal immigrants in this case) working that job for less than that, you bring down that average, isnt that the definition of depressing wages?
<6> except for the new Kate Bush CD, the rock beast is silenced
<7> So theyt dont buy all the products made by people who produce goods for contractors and tools sales go way down.
<7> It effects every single person in america.
<3> tarkus, what the name of the last ELO album? without looking?
<6> I have no idea
<3> ELO
<1> bmc: what you don't understand is that the average is irrelevant
<3> DUH!
<3> hahahhahaha
<1> bmc: but that's okay, you never WILL understand it
<1> ELO not equal ELP
<7> OcDoc, well there is straight math and their is more advanced mathematics.
<1> emerson lake and palmer
<1> electric light orchestra
<3> Emerson lake and palmer
<3> oi
<3> now what happened to Emerson and Lake?
<6> it was also Emerson Lake & Powell for a while
<1> Free: and there are "economic models"
<6> Emerson is doing film scores in LA
<3> shall we talk about
<3> Palmer?
<6> Lake is trying to become the UK equivalent to Neil Diamond
<7> If you take solely their wages and compare them to the services they use (Which a lot of those include Parks, Fish and Wildlife and expenses what dont really change). And they spend more than they make they think thats proof
<8> wow, Canada..
<8> TORONTO (CP) - The Federal Court says Ottawa can't deny the son of an Egyptian-born terrorist a Canadian p***port because of national security concerns.
<3> can't get enough cause i'm addicted to love?
<6> only Palmer is still actively playing with a new band
<3> eww baby
<7> But simple math doesnt work because there is a chain of events which are put in place everytime someone earns 1 single dollar.
<3> new band?
<3> HE IS THE BAND
<1> Free: zackly
<7> And lets be honest, all of us are using more services than we earn.
<6> The Carl Palmer Band, coming to your city soon
<7> If you generalize.
<2> the worker earning the wage doesnt care about any of that
<3> Carl palmer?
<3> hahahhahaha
<9> Robert Palmer?
<9> Isn't he dead?
<7> our government is in debt, hence we are all using more services than we are earning
<3> thank yo uKatey
<8> wow, DailyKos really ****s
<3> katey nope
<1> bmc: you still don't accpept the possiblity that a union guy gets a higher wage because someone else is earning a lower wage
<3> he still lives
<6> Palmer is one of the few drummers that doesn't just merely keep time, he actually PLAYS THE DRUMS
<1> bmc: you think that only the average counts
<3> Carl Palmer is ELO
<7> Thats simplistic thinking but apply the same standards to them and to us, and well.
<3> Robert palmer is ELP
<6> no Carl Palmer was the P in ELP
<2> OcDoc im talking about what counts to the people who are earning that wage
<6> Robert Palmer is pushing up the daisies
<1> bmc: that is so basic a principle that you can't even TALK about economics without understanding it
<9> Robert Palmer isn't the same Palmer from ELP though
<3> trakus yer high
<6> I wish
<9> Carl Palmer was in ELP
<2> i doubt theyre concerned with any economic matters other than the size of their paycheck
<1> bmc: even if they're wrong?
<3> DOH!
<3> hahhaha
<3> then i am young
<9> Robert Palmer croaked a few years back, iirc
<7> I wish there was an economic forumula or something maybe there is, although there are so many variables. Someting like $1000.00 in wages represents what ? 23k in economic power ?
<3> i always though ELP P = Robert Palmer
<7> I dont know
<3> Katey no
<3> Robert Palmer is still alivle
<7> But there is some kind of formula which would have to be determined to find out that number.
<3> i have never known him not to be a part of ELP
<1> Free: each dollar earned changes hands eleven times in buying power ... how's that?
<6> look up Robert & Carl on Google and get back to us
<7> we know 1000.00 does not simply = $1000
<7> OcDoc, is that an generally accepted economic truth ?
<3> how about you go and google.cn
<7> If so it makes a lot of sense to me
<7> We know its something
<1> Free: the fractional reserve banking system uses a similar number of eleven
<3> and get back to us
<7> Really ?
<7> Cool
<7> I got educated today, I knew it was something I didnt know what.
<1> Free: it shifts marginally depending on ups and downs around that number
<6> Eleven? I thought the big number was 42.
<7> Now I know its more or less around $11.00
<9> rusty: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3142710.stm
<7> so take earnings times $11..
<1> Tarkus: are we talking about the same number?
<9> Singer Robert Palmer has died of a heart attack in Paris aged 54.
<2> when was that?
<1> two years ago
<1> not Robert Plant?
<9> no
<9> Robert Palmer
<1> oops
<2> that the guy that always danced with the strange looking tall attractive women in his videos?
<9> I think Robert Plant is still alive
<1> simply irresistable
<2> yea!
<1> Katey: yup
<3> holy crap katey
<3> i didn't know that
<7> And then doc this is tricky because despite the fact thats its government tax money, sick people cause doctors, nurses, pharamacueticals to make money and employ people.
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