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<0> Linus i am talking about the arabs waging war on Israel
<1> a war of survival against the armies of Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, including also Algerian irregulars
<1> see, no historical sense.
<0> not to mention arab support for nazi germany
<2> that's pretty selective then
<0> there HAS to be consequences
<1> what's selective
<1> acknowledging fact and context?
<2> his view of the price of waging war only going back so many years
<0> the more severe the consequence, the less likely people will be willing to wage war
<1> Linus: it's pretty general
<1> wars have historically resulted in conquest.
<1> when successfully waged
<2> Timur, and my question was, what war did israel win in the 40s to gain their land?
<0> Britain and france waged war against the ottoman empire
<1> and again, the answer was they didn't really 'wage' one, they had to defend against a war waged by those armies I mentioned.
<0> the UN voted to give jews this land called Israel
<2> well, its not too much of a reach to understand why arabs feel that it was and is their land
<3> Timur, I don't need a history lesson to know that taking their land was WRONG. Spoils of war is one thing, but forcing settlements on them was absolutely wrong.
<0> and since then Israel has successfully defended its LEGAL and RIGHTFUL territory
<3> Damn phone
<0> Linus, I see, so jews never lived in Judea or Israel right?
<1> Tailor: that shows a total lack of understanding of the situation, so I'll address this with you when you've read up a bit, since it's clear that the understanding here isn't much
<3> Those god damn settlements were the wrost idea ever, it only made things worse for everyone,
<2> I'm not claiming the land isn't rightfully israel's
<3> THAT is shy Sharron was getting rid of them
<1> the worst idea ever? that's a grand exaggeration if ever there was one
<2> my point is, its not hard to imagine why arabs don't see it that way
<0> the fact remains that Syria-Palestina is name such in an effort by the former Roman empire to wipe out the jews
<1> how about the idea of Arab coutnries repeatedly invading ISrael, how about the idea of supporting terrorism/
<1> those aren't as bad as building some houses?
<4> poor israel
<3> Timur, no, I'nm not wrong, if I were Sharon wouldn't be giving it back, he at least he saw the error.
<1> Tailor: he gave back Gaza
<1> they can have Gaza
<3> Timur, and he was on the way to giving back the west bank. If he survives you will see that too.
<1> Israel's going to annex the areas around Jerusalem, and the Palestinians will have most of the WB and all of Gaza. That's pretty much that.
<2> gaza should be named Gauze-A
<1> not the areas around Jerusalem, no.
<5> Justice Dept. being evacuated
<1> I don't think we'll see that, but it could happen *if* the Palestinians get their **** together
<3> Timur, wherever you draw the line, get the **** out and leave those people alone.
<1> I won't hold my breath on that one
<3> BUILD THE WALL
<1> Tailor: fine, that's being doen
<1> as I said
<1> the border will be determined
<1> and all outlying settlements evacuated
<1> and the border thereby established
<3> Good.
<1> not necessarily in ways the Pals like, but that's the cost of their lack of organization.
<0> I personally say , pull back to the 1967 borders for peace , as is the offer that King Fahd had given Israel
<1> F18: not gonna happen.
<0> stop ****ing around, and do the ****
<0> when Palestinians keep their **** up, you start taking towns
<0> and DO not give it back
<1> heh
<1> ok, on that note..bbl
<0> thats that, they had their chance to live peacefully with Israel and if they refuse there has to be consequences and they must be severe
<0> the USA wouldn't do any less
<0> hey BigEd, you in Syracuse?
<2> you're making the entire third grade lose recess for the actions of a few
<0> Linus **** you
<0> heh thats the consequence of cheering in the streets when the WTC fell
<0> tough beans
<4> hehe u.s doj has been evacuated
<4> due to suspicious package on a bus outside
<4> if someone was planning to bomb the doj i doubt they'd put a package on a bus
<0> Linus its up to their peers to instill the idea that violence against Israel is unacceptable because it hurts Palestinians more than Israelis, until then, tough beans
<2> ive had tough meat before, and chewy beans, but can't say i recall having tough beans
<5> bleen.
<6> spoon
<2> spleen
<0> hahah Democrats are going nuts
<0> Naomi Wolf is lying her *** off on Fox
<6> about?
<0> Oh! Oh! "If Alito is confirmed he will personally illegalise abortion"
<2> illegalize? odd term
<0> Wendy Long "Alito will not illegalise abortion"
<6> hint: its already legal
<0> Naomi Wolf "YOu don't know that!"
<5> what kind of abortion.. morning after? late term? full term?
<0> Wendy Long "Well YOU DON"T KNOW EITHER!"
<0> hahaha
<2> high brow!
<0> bud` Naomi Wolf was trying to claim that abortion is basically illegal now hahahahah
<0> that there are impediments to a woman controlling her own body
<0> hahaha
<0> freakin hilarious
<0> I hate bold face liars
<1> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/668088.html
<1> U.S. raid on Iraq mosque sparks Sunni Arab anger
<1> By Reuters
<1> Sunni Arab political parties in Iraq condemned the weekend U.S. raid on the Baghdad offices of an influential Islamic organisation, accusing the U.S. military of targeting Muslim clergy and violating a place of worship.
<1> The U.S. military said they conducted the raid in response to a tip-off of "substantial terrorist activity" in the mosque and says its soldiers behaved respectfully during their search of the premises and their arrest of six people.\
<0> Timur, Boo hoooo hoooo! poor sunni's
<2> dicy territory, a no-win really
<6> they hate when we take all the RPGs stored in their mosques
<2> heh
<0> ohh there will be a victory, when they get a Saddam like Shiite in power and kick some sunni ***
<1> F18: yeah, we should respect their religion by allowing mosques to serve as havens for terrorists.
<2> "Sunnis invade catholic churches, confiscate pedophiles"
<0> the only people sunni's will be able to blame for having a Saddam like Shia in power is the sunni's themselves for not wanting to take part in the process
<0> Sunni's seem to be very very short sighted
<1> I don't think the pedophiles are acting in a concerted group effort to blow up people
<2> I'm not very content with who won the popular vote thoguh
<1> in Catholic churches or elsewhere
<2> Timur, oh christ its just a joke
<0> seriously they are acting like babies in this whole process
<1> ok
<2> F18Hornet, actually, its their only possible tactic as they face reality
<2> public outcry
<5> it's always just a joke
<0> Linus bull****
<5> the comics particularly
<5> we didnt really mean to make racist cartoons about condi rice!
<5> it was a joke!
<0> if they reasonably took part in the process instead of acting like whiney weeney warts, they would be able to further their cause
<1> yep, that's pretty much it
<1> of course, it's not about participation, or wasn't; it was and still is about not being the dominant group
<6> F18Hornet, your weeney warts whine
<6> ?
<0> Timur exactly
<2> bud`, nice red herring you got there
<1> hence, support for the Fedayeen and similar such groups among the Sunis
<1> *Sunnis
<5> you just reminded me of it, tha's all =)
<0> the way they are acting now is "We aren't getting what we want, so we will blow up some iraqis"
<0> imagine if it was like that in the USA?
<2> the difference being, mine was a joke from the git go
<1> which means that their response will just provoke the rest and further marginalize them. sounds familiar
<2> i wasn't talking abut their tactic of blowing people up
<2> i was talking about their crying on the world stage
<2> in anticipation of retribution
<0> sunni's would be a far more credible force if they didn't ally themselves with terrorists
<2> from shiite fundies
<0> Linus, how many times have we heard of Shiites blowing up sunni's in Iraq?
<0> VERY VERY rarely, if there was going to be retribution it would already be taking place
<2> you made the point about their whining
<2> now you're weaving it into bombings
<0> because its all a part of their stupid whining
<5> Alito once attended a Ska music festival
<5> o_O
<2> I'm saying sunni political types who are whining to the media see it as possibly their only hope to stave off what they fear will be retribution
<0> as i said they are acting like babies, they don't get what they want, so they act like babies and throw a temper tantrum in the form of suicide bombing
<2> now you're ***uming that any sunni who demands a satke in the political process is tied to terrorists?
<2> stake
<0> ????
<0> ahhh typical of you Linus
<2> I'm asking, not stating
<0> can't win an arguement, so put words in peoples mouths
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