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<0> I'm not putting you anywhere.
<0> making a population that supports terrorism aware that such support has a cost is hardly wild-eyed.
<0> in fact, it's both justified and sensible.
<1> Sharon just woke up out of coma, and is repeatedly singing the dradle song
<1> thats good news
<2> bulldozing entire villages because they contain suspected terrorists is hardly a bulls-eye tactic
<0> except they never 'bulldozed entire villages', so that's a load of crap.
<2> settlements
<0> they did bulldoze specific homes of the families of terrorists
<3> Linus-, when did that happen?
<2> encampments
<0> like where, when
<2> you're kidding
<0> please bring up Jenin
<0> no, I'm askign for an example of your claim
<3> Damn, caught in another lie 'eh Linus-?
<0> of 'bulldozing entire villages'
<3> Timur, odd how he shuts up isn't it
<0> he's googling
<0> ;)
<4> he may be googling
<2> you want me to not bring up jenin, so what can i say?
<3> Yes, the frantic search to support a lie
<0> I was begging yuo to bring up Jenin
<0> I suggest you read about what Jenin was
<0> and is
<5> remember that american girl who was killed trying to stop the israel bulldozers
<0> and what actually happened
<2> googling because i don't recall the town names, begging your pardon
<0> yeah, she was properly crushed.
<6> bud: You mean "The Idiot"?
<0> it's not the names, when the events didn't exist.
<4> Linus-, no problem I bs all the time
<2> anyway, my point is that even sharon has gone away from that type of action in past couple of years
<4> and try to google to back it up
<6> I was watching Extreme Makeover, Home Edition the other night. Ty was standing in front of a bulldozer. I was hoping for a crushing, but it never happened. :(
<2> oh, i know i bs at times
<0> right, it's much more effective to have good intel, kill the leaders/organizers, stop bombers at the border, and build a wall
<2> but this isn't one of them
<0> so, on that I agree
<2> tim, and that's not under my category of "wild-eyed"
<0> it's not wild eyed, though, but it's not the most effective either.
<0> what's most effective thus far is the present set of policies
<3> Linus-, right, that wasn't just BS, it was an out and out lie.
<2> my point was the years and years of back and forth generic killing for vengeance sake never worked
<5> if the bulldozers getting closer, just yell into your bullhorn a little louder. that might stop it. if not you can always duck and cover.
<7> what do you mean it never worked? sounds like the history of the world
<3> Your point was to make it look like it was 100 times as bad as it ever was, 'bulldozing entire villages'
<0> except the killing on the Israelis' part wasn't generic
<0> Jenin was an armed camp with a huge number of terrorists
<2> you're claiming no civilians were killed by bulldozers?
<2> I'm not denying that jenin was a hot bed
<2> but isreal's response was hardly pinpoint
<3> Timur, no no no, not just one village, VILLAGES, the damn jews were wiping them off the map!
<3> 'bulldozing entire villages'
<0> it wasn't pinpoint because it wasn't militarily or logistically possible for it to be so
<0> Tailor: right, the 20% of the Israeli public that is Arab doesn't exist!
<4> Things that bother you never bother me, i'm feel happy as pie, aha! living in the sunlight, loving in the moonlight, having a wonderful time
<0> Herz: lol
<0> Tiny Tim ownz j00
<4> lol
<4> gg
<2> i don't see how actions like those taken in Jenin will commit the avg palestinian to desiring to co-exist peacefully with israel
<2> and i thank god they aren't doing such things these days
<0> you're mistaking the process
<0> what needs to happen first is an understanding that actively supporting or tolerating terrorists to do what they do is not acceptable
<0> then over time mutual respect can begin to be built
<0> first things first
<3> Linus-, and it certainly wasn't wide spread or indiscriminate as you suggest.
<8> Linus--2500 homes were bulldozed in Gaza; and while it's not an entire village, the 'bulldozing' wasn't exactly just a few dozen homes. The actions were condemned by Human Rights Watch ( a group founded in the mid 70s to monitor the Soviet Unions compliance with Int laws and implementation of the Helskini agreements)
<0> interesting that the P***over bombing, which had more casualties, didn't get a UN report
<2> ever conceive that perhaps those civilians that "tolerate" them do so out of fear for their lives?
<0> that's why they need to get their **** together and decide collectively to control those elements
<2> TheTailor, it was just one example of years of of eye for eye strategies that imo were futile
<2> and had ooposite effect
<9> they fear for their lives? that's both true and irrelevant
<2> opposite
<0> unless and until that happens they can't logically expect p***ivity from the side receiving the results of their disorganization, i.e. more terrorist bombings
<0> they weren't futile
<0> they made the Pals realize what was what
<0> once the force was actually allowed to be used, that is
<0> unlike what happened under Barak.
<0> which is why he's not popular there
<9> it's like ppl who were arguing against attacking afghanistan, bc they had such an inferior military compared to ours
<2> just try to put yourself in the shoes of a mother with several children, living in a neighborhood overrun by terrorists; too poor to relocate, too terrified to speak up
<0> thebarry: unfair!
<2> i don't see how she can collectively organize with like-minded neighbors
<9> to which you respond, 'if you don't want to fight the war, then don't ****ing start one'
<9> linus, this is how
<2> not knowing which ones for sure would be in agreement vs which ones would kill her
<9> if they DONT speak up
<9> if they are complacent
<0> Linus: I'm actually interested in the larger picture of the Pals as a whole doing what they need to do to control their various factions in order to not guarantee either lawlessness within their lands by such groups or terrorism by such groups against Israel thus guaranteeing an Israeli response.
<9> then the terrorists may start a war on their behalf
<9> and then they get bombed to hell
<9> they have to get their **** together
<0> I can point to a lot of sympathetic individual cases on both sides, but it's not interesting as a means of understanding the processes involved.
<2> thebarry, power comes in numbers; if you're outnumbered and just trying to feed and house your kids in a desperate situation, realistically i don't see that happening
<9> then you are ****ed
<0> Linus: power actually comes in organization and unity
<5> gees Linus- don't use too much emotional rhetoric to bolster your point of view
<2> Timur, no doubt
<0> their lack of either guarantees that the most destructive groups among them call the shots
<0> and as long as that happens, they'll remain marginalized
<9> where is your bleeding heart for the jewish children who are being targeted by suicide bombers?
<9> why do you have such a complete lack of clarity?
<2> bud, I'm only trying to out myself into the mind of a desperate person
<2> theb, that's totally uncalled for
<0> Linus: er, I'm sure a lot of Israelis who had the gall to go to a restaurant, movie theater or shopping mall only to see friends and family blown up feel pretty desperate too.
<9> the israelis are targeting terrorist strongholds
<9> the leaders, the bombers
<9> the terrorists are targeting civilians
<0> so if you want to ascribe desperation, it'd be more sensible to be even handed about it
<0> or at least try.
<2> Timur, yes, they would feel that way, but they also already have voting rights and a better standard of living and most could afford to move if they felt threatened
<0> but really, such a focus distracts from the larger picture, which is what's really relevant to stopping the violence.
<10> there is a real cool program about martial arts on the discovery channel hd right now
<0> that has nothing to do with being bombed to smithereens and the feelings engendered by it.
<0> poverty doesn't equate to suicide bombing
<0> that's a total copout
<2> anyway, i don't see how we strayed down this path since my point was israel, under sharon, and over the past 2-3 years, have trended away from this type of response
<3> Linus-, your charaterization that Isrealis 'bulldoze entire villages' was meant to do one thing, exagerate, nothing more. You do this on a constant basis in most all areas of discussion.
<0> it's not even the primary dynamic, though it is one.
<10> poverty helps make it possible
<10> not the cause though
<0> Linus: your mischaracterization of 'wild eyed response' in the face of deliberate and heinous terrorist bombings is both unfair and unjustified
<0> on one hand
<3> Linus-, it's unfortunately the code of the lunatic left, lie, nobody will know. Sadly you idiots believe it.
<10> usually when people are rich they think of ways to strike without killing themselves
<0> and your disputation that killing or imprisoning terrorists wasn't an effective policy, silly and incorrect.
<1> benny netanyahu live on foxnews
<1> what a good guy
<2> TheTailor, do you have a counterpoint? because your broadbrush is tiresome
<0> td: Thanks
<1> he is praying and hoping
<2> Timur, i NEVER stated that
<2> good god
<1> doh he's over
<3> Linus-, what's tiresome is your wild accusations and exagerated nonsense.
<9> i feel obligated to point out that if israelis and americans fought the terrorists like the terrorists fight us
<9> there would be no palestinians
<0> Linus: so your notion of 'eye for an eye' then, does *not* include killing and imprisoning terrorists?
<9> and the us wouldnt be in iraq or afghanistan
<0> the barry: definitely.
<11> SatanBush is banned (Requested by TheTailor )
<9> because those countries would be a collection of smoldering holes in the ground
<10> but that would make us as bad as them...
<10> so try again
<9> i said, if we fought like they fight
<2> Timur, in the past, israeli's often called for revenge without desire for precision
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