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<0> Now it's to the point where you can't really exist anywhere without being in a society.
<1> justice?
<2> I just made up the 30 years
<3> I was in here a while back and I raised some **** I guess
<4> justice or vengeance? =x
<0> I mean, it's technically possible, but at a huge disadvantage in most areas.
<3> regarding media swinging to the left
<2> they could need a heart transplant and that could cost 500k more
<3> buddy posted this study about it right
<2> or they could get abused and sue the state? for millions?
<3> found out it's a total pile of dog crap
<2> I don't know what is right I like thinking of the possibilities though
<2> I also heard that jail costs about 60k now
<2> a year
<2> per inmate
<5> People are way too bleeding heart now days
<0> Prisoners should have to work for the common good.
<3> no honest statician thinks it even used decent science
<5> It makes a lot of sense to burn up criminals
<0> It's really dumb that tax payers pay money to have people rot in prison.
<5> A criminal is of no use to anyone
<2> but bran someone was just found to innocent with dna evidence after he was executed
<2> to be
<3> More rightwing propaganda
<2> haha
<5> Oh well sintinent, not every system can be perfect
<2> I pay money for them to get away from me
<6> branh0913: wow, i hope you fall and get your head stuck in an oven
<5> I know in most cases, people who get executed ARE guilty
<7> prison costs more than an ivy league college
<4> lol, well if you're okay with executing innocent people I guess who are we to argue =x
<2> what if we sent prisoners to harvard?
<5> I'm not okay executing innocent people
<6> heh that's a pretty interesting idea sintient
<0> Prisoner work should be sold to companies or something.
<6> giving prisoners a chance
<5> But just because there are a few bad occurances, that doesn't mean you should get rid of the death penalty altogether
<5> Prisoners don't deserve a change
<2> like what if we had givin every iraqi a 100k instead of dropping any bombs wouldn't they love us?
<6> branh0913: i think it does
<5> chance*
<3> P_O: you serious believe that?
<3> that's profiting off of a crime
<4> they do sell it to companies
<3> and that's a crime unto it's self
<2> I hear these ideas hehe I know the downside of course but it is still interesting
<0> Poli-Tick, er, how is it profiting off of crime?
<4> inmates do phone related jobs
<4> and ***embly
<8> First, it seems to me, there shouldn't be quite as many people in prison. The War on Drugs seems particularly ***inine.
<0> You think that prisoners should be allowed to sit and do nothing all day but eat and ****?
<2> we would have to give free college before we gave free college to prisoners
<5> I agree with making drugs legal actually
<0> OldSchool, not all of them, as far as I know it's a volunteer thing still.
<8> 2/3 of the judical and penal systmes are warondrug related
<1> P_O: I'd have to catch up on my reading If I landed in Jail.
<2> middle cl*** kids would just commit a crime to get educated
<3> drugs already are legal just depends on the TYPE
<5> Yeah, the average kid can't go to college for free, but we are giving prisoners and education
<8> politick, all drugs should be
<2> haah
<3> and how it's dispensed
<5> Thanks to liberal-socialist, inc.
<2> yeah it could work but it sounds unfair
<0> branh0913, my problem with your line of thinking, is that if you were in charge of the US, someone would be screwed the second they got caught doing a crime.
<3> "liberal-socialist, inc." that's an oxymoron
<1> branh: we have less prisoners then we do college students.
<5> Socialist generally discourage hard work anyway
<8> i'm not in favor of drug abuse, i'm just against the tragegy that I perceive the war on drugs handing us
<0> Like for example, if exfelons don't have any right, then why the hell are they existing?
<3> branh0913: and that's a stereo type
<1> but the cl***ic arguement stands, if we de-criminalize more things, we will have less criminals.
<0> *rights
<1> personally, I'm in favor of replacing prison time with heavy fines.
<5> Well modern liberalism and socialism seems to be able to be used interchangably these days
<2> socialism for the poor and capitalism for the rich?
<5> lol, capitalism probably works better for the poor
<1> example, all these CEOs and such going to prison for cooking the books, forget that - just make them pay out the *** in fines.
<5> Socialism would just keep the rich elites in power
<2> they can't afford to get to work though
<1> Society is not protected by having some old white fart sit in prison.
<1> take his fortune instead.
<0> antifed, I don't know, some of those guys should be living in a ****ty place.
<0> For a change.
<2> or they aren't educated enough to make enough to live?
<5> Everytime a poor many makes some money, the socialist would just take it away in taxes
<1> P_O: take all their money and they will be living in a ****ty place.
<5> Yeah, that sounds like a good economic plan for the poor
<2> but they et fed and housed right?
<0> antifed, why not do both? :P
<9> howard sterns first braodcast on satalite radio is in 3 hours
<2> and time to educate
<3> branh0913: and what pray-tell is the difference?
<1> P_O: i'm trying to reduce prison populations.
<1> P_O: but far and wide the best way to reduce prison populations is to de-criminalize drugs.
<0> Probably.
<1> also would be a great new tax revenue for the States.
<2> what will happend to the prison industry ?
<2> all the people employed by prisons?
<5> Socialist societies typically have some convoluted tax code that very rich people can pay rich tax accountants to loophole thier way out of
<5> So the tax burden always fall on the poor
<10> they can go be security guards
<1> When drugs become legal, States will tax the crap out of them.
<5> and the middle cl***
<10> like they are destined to be anyways
<8> if you get rid of the war on drugs, you free up, gross, 2/3 of the judicial system which means real trials for bad people
<1> Jett: also can eliminate the DEA.
<8> and 2/3 of the penal system
<0> branh0913, that sounds more like the US than anything else.
<0> Our tax code blows.
<1> think of the billions we'll save with the War on Drugs gone..
<8> antifed, exactly
<0> We should scrap the whole thing and replace it with a 2 page decoment.
<2> They are security guards and the dangerous people are put in place making their job easier
<5> That is what happens in the US, but oddly I don't hear liberals complaining about that
<2> or the loss of young minds?
<5> We just need some type of flat tax
<0> I'm a liberal, and I'm complaining about it right now.
<8> and you can suddenly offer, because you're saving so much money elsewhere, real quality treatment on demand for addicts
<5> I don't know why we can't go to a flat tax
<5> They are doing it in East Europe and those economies are booming
<0> I'm personally all about a flat percentage tax.
<0> Or actually, my favorite idea I stole from a regular in here
<0> and that is <taxable income> - <poverty line> * <flat percentage>
<5> I just wish people would realize that you aren't going to get rich people's money
<0> So people below the poverty line won't pay taxes.
<8> I don't mind a progressive tax system, but you're right, a simple tax system is needed
<3> well if the state controlled the issuance of money... there'd be np
<9> yeah tax money is wasted money mostly
<9> only a small percentage goes to good us
<3> I mean how the hell can the state be going into such debt?
<5> No, I think the progressive tax has proven that it doesn't work
<11> despite what the Fair Tax bible says, rich people still pay taxes
<3> the government how can it be in such debt
<3> considering the ***ets it holds
<3> Why is the government going broke?
<5> Slimey politicians pocket a lot of money
<3> doesn't make sense
<10> Because they write checks their ***es can't cash.
<9> covernemnet is inefecient and corrupt
<3> bahh
<10> In a nutshell.
<8> Poli-Tick, this is how....right now for every seventeen dollars the government takes in, twenty are owed to people who qualify for entitlements
<5> I use to work for the government, they take money all the time. A good amount of it never gets reported
<10> So they borrow.
<3> that's pittance
<11> One major problem I have with the Fair Tax is that the government will get more money.
<8> we owe more than we have coming in
<8> it's pretty simple
<3> yeah
<3> and how has this come to be?
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