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<0> nwo uber guy
<1> ahhhh
<2> Why do liberals call you stupid when you refuse to believe their inane theories about the American government?
<1> thanks
<3> panic inducer
<3> he's like art bell
<3> in a way
<1> I haven't a clue who he is, but thanks.
<3> real freaks attach to him
<0> branh: why do conservatives call you a liberal when you disagree with one single thing they happen to say?
<2> I don't
<4> Why do people make general statements about ideologies that cover groups of people so diverse that their statement can't possibly apply to them all?
<3> I don't use the term liberal or conservative
<0> "No james, I don't agree with that" "YOU ****ING LIBERAL!!!"
<3> I might as well get racey
<0> i'm sorry i'm just thinking of this retard guy i know
<1> P_O, intellect
<0> conservative to the bone
<1> missing
<3> people will choose terms to justify their ignorance I suppose
<2> Well P_O from my experience, people who actually censor people for having a difference of opinion are liberals
<0> like super racist, scared of other races even
<5> Why does one party rationalize corruption by saying the other party does it too, like my hand hurts oh that's ok cause my other hand hurts too.
<2> Everyone is racist actually
<0> ****ing dumb*** kid;/
<3> some can turn to sports
<3> 'the other team'
<0> i agree branh
<0> well
<0> kinda
<1> as Edmund Burke said, "I wouldn't know how to write the indictment of an entire people."
<0> I don't describe it like that though
<0> because 'racist' is one of those terms that doesn't really mean anything anymore
<5> I just heard definition of racism that says you have to economically hurt someone to make it racism.
<3> right
<4> Jesus I thought I got kicked from here cause the spam of that join came so quick that I thought the window closed.
<1> I toldja they'd be back....just wait and see, I said
<5> Otherwise it is bigotry or prejudice.
<0> haha
<3> racist doesn't mean jack, but conservative and liberal ?
<3> come on
<1> ;)
<2> Welcome back everyone who split
<0> serialbob: absoltuely right
<2> well good bye again
<0> conservative and liberal are meaningless most of the time
<0> liberal is a generic insult around here
<4> Racism according to me and my memory of the dictionary last I looked up, simply means that you differentiate between races.
<3> oh, those terms bring anger to many suna
<5> That is true suna
<2> That is correct P_O
<5> I couldn't believe bran said liberal kick conservatives the most I must be in here too often.
<0> Comments such as "Today's liberal is not the same as 20 years ago's liberal" shouldn't exist. A liberal should mean something
<1> american "liberal" isn't the same at all as "liberal" anywhere else
<2> So everyone is racist, because everyone evenetually differentiate between races
<0> jett: yah, it's a useless *** term
<4> branh0913, yeah.
<4> I don't care about racism though.
<1> suna, yep
<4> I care about racial hatred
<4> and more importantly, applied racial hatred.
<6> there is always the cl***ical liberal .. ie: libertarian
<2> I consider myself a cl***ical liberal
<0> there ya go, but you have to qualify it as such
<2> I don't like the modern liberal movement though
<1> antifed, that's what I have in mind when I came to be a Liberal
<0> 'cl***ical liberal' means something pretty specific I'd say
<5> check the definitions of these terms guys and return to unbiased times
<2> It isn't based on much common sense
<0> about as specific as you'll ever get with politics ya know
<4> I've been described as a cl***ic liberal.
<2> Well no old school freedom loving cl***ical liberal would advocate political correctness like modern liberal do
<1> A Cl***ical Liberal is, today in America, a Conservative.
<4> Jett, eh, not really.
<2> Hell modern liberals are basically socialist
<1> except for a very few exceptions
<2> Cl***ical liberals are libertarians
<0> anyway, anti-bush doesn't make you a liberal. Democratic doesn't make you a liberal. Thinking american troops should slowly start to withdrawl from iraq doesn't make you a liberal. Being a liberal makes you a liberal, but what's a liberal?
<4> People have described me as a cl***ic liberal, yet no one has ever said I was conservative :P
<5> liberalism and convervatism are just two idealogies for running government.
<1> P_O, I can consider anybody a Liberal who doesn't hearthrob Fidel, etc.
<5> Bran you have that wrong I am almost sure the definition of liberal and libertarian don't really match up
<6> political correctness violates cl***ical liberalism as it attempts to control other people's behavior, behavior that does not violate anyone else's freedoms.
<1> you're right, tho, I cut it too thin
<4> Liberal and libertarian are seperate.
<2> A liberal believe in a liberal economy (meaning everyone is involved), hands off capitalism, give Americans the incentive to invest, low taxes, small government, etc
<1> yes, they are
<0> people just need to stop using these lables
<0> they're just...wrong
<5> Liberal means liberal with the money
<0> ;/
<5> conservative means less government
<4> suna, personally I feel that labels can't do the justice that a conversation can do.
<2> cl***ical liberalism sitient
<0> it's funny sintient, since 90% of the time i see someone called a liberal it's because of something about bush or this iraq "war" if you wanna call it that
<2> In my opinon socialist have hijacked the word liberal
<4> I'd rather talk to someone about their feelings on specific issues than their label
<5> cl***ic like when?
<0> nothing to do with money
<0> nothing to do with taxes
<0> nothing to do with lack of government
<0> or anything else
<6> sintient: less government... if conservative meant that still, the Republican Congress would not be expanding government.
<1> P_O, I agree, but "terms" should be expected to have some meaning.
<7> suna wrong
<5> It does mean that still
<2> I think America is quite liberal against Europeans version of nobility and entitlments
<4> Jett, in politics they change too quick.
<1> obviously twenty thousand words are better than twenty
<4> I use the dictionary as my rooting point for stuff like that.
<3> bye bye liberals
<0> panini: wrong? It's what i see, it's not wrong.
<5> because someone called them selves sommething incorrectly doesn't change the definition
<4> That's kind of rude
<4> he doesn't even say bye to the conservatives.
<7> suna yes, you see wrong
<1> P_O, they do change, but not so quickly, in my mind
<4> Jett, eh? Look at what Democrat and Republican used to mean.
<0> panini: Sure, and my blue car isn't blue either
<1> Before the 1960s, there was no Left in American Politics.
<5> They are just wrong if they call themselves conservative and advocate the bigger government fix or more money handed out.
<1> there were communists, but they didn't count
<4> When a definition totally flip flops wihtin 100 years, that's pretty drastic.
<2> Liberalism also means to think for yourself. But modern liberals don't do that often either. It seems to me that modern liberals are just a doll that quote random talking points from moveon.org
<5> The name of a party
<0> whatever man. You can say you don't believe me if you want, fine. But keep your retarded "You're wrong" comments to yourself. I live in one area, this is an international channel! I can see something You don't see, get over yourself.
<5> is not the same thing as liberal and conservative
<1> P_O, yeah, but a hundred years is a long time, much could've been done, perhaps, it should be done now and words is all we have.
<7> suna dunno about you car, but a liberal is someone who: supports more and higher taxes, more govt, fewer individual liberties, weaker america, weak on crime
<5> suna are you talking to me?
<0> panini: and you just illustrated you didn't read what I said
<0> no sintient
<0> :)
<5> ok
<1> I have to count on the meaning of your words for this conversation to take place.
<4> Jett, 100 years isn't al ong time when you consider how many words we use that're from say, Old English.
<5> Check a dictionary if you want a common definition
<1> P_O, I agree.
<1> It's not very long historically, either.
<6> I like the x/y axis of X: Liberal/Conservative and Y: Libertarian/Authoritarian.
<4> Jett, I'm just saying that the velocity change that political words have is greater than most other types (outside of slang)
<1> But, I have a faith in words and hope that before too long people will stop referring to Denis Kocinich as a Liberal.
<6> What people need to come to think of is that we want to move away from authoritarian governments.
<4> Sure it may have taken many many decades for Republican and Democrat to change definitions, but that change was almost completely reverse.
<5> antified agreed
<1> P_O, I know. I'm hip.
<6> rather then just to the right or left.
<2> Most conservatives believe in a liberal economics
<4> Jett, sure you are :P
<2> Most liberals believed in a controlled economy
<1> heh
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