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<0> I would consider Canada's gun laws idiotic
<1> USMale: not always
<0> they would consider ours idiotic
<2> US: WHY
<3> Now its true, we can not deny there are racial barriers we dont experience if we are not minority. But we still need to stress the responsibility that the black man or the minority must overcome that hurdle.
<4> FreeTrade I think anyone no matter what race can accomplish as much as they put their mind and body to do...
<5> plusplusc why thats simple son, by attempting to fix the problem by banning guns, which handguns are banned in DC ya know, only CCW allowed, and not easy to get. A law abiding citizen is going to obey the law, and not get a gun. Pyscopaths and nut jobs are not subject to LAWS> which is why gun laws are so stupid in the first place.
<3> if he does, soon the hurdle starts going away.
<0> OcDoc well many laws such as gun laws are quite controversial
<6> legalizing drugs would remove the marketplace in the getto...
<3> Soon you can have a lot of black buisness owners, who might hire besides a lot of whites, a lot of blacks who want to make a good living.
<0> or, abortion for example
<1> FRee: more and more minority people are escaping ... change IS occurring ... but the people left behind are more and more out there
<7> This problem of unequal justice will evolve out of our system eventually.
<8> The Farting preacher rocks
<5> The only reason law abiding citizens have a problem with armed pyscopaths is because the feel good laws have disarmed them.
<7> Except for urban justice versus rural justice.
<4> Darth -- right on
<9> I'm thinking.. let's legalize drugs for 15 years. When the dregs have all OD'd themselves, the demand for them will be gone
<3> I can go on all night, but the only way out of our greatest social problems, is to put personal responsibility 100% and inexcusably on the individual and treat all individuals equal until we have reason not to.
<0> so we obviously can't pick and choose which laws we want to follow in general. We can get away with it for some things
<5> that and if by so unfortunate turn, some crazy guy attacks you, and you whack him, you will get tagged with a hate crime because of his skin color.
<3> Scapegoating guns is ignorance.
<3> Im sorry but it is.
<7> nharris, the demand will drop within a year of legalization
<3> The facts dont support it.
<7> for various reasons
<1> Darth: if an armed pyschopath walked into a McDonalds that was full of armed citizens he wouldn't last a full minute, the death toll would be smaller, and there'd by no one to feed in prison
<3> The facts support the opposite.
<8> Amen Preacher FT! Ahmen
<6> hahaha
<5> OcDoc such logic escapes gun grabbers
<8> Say it again
<3> Sorry but i feel strong about this. I see what some of my friends and my wife go through it makes me sick.
<1> Darth: apprently
<8> I am pro-gun.
<9> I'm reversing my stand.. I say legalize drugs! Smart kids like my niece and nephew know better, and those who don't will just cull themselves from the fold :)
<5> all gun laws have ever done is make victims out of law abiding citizens.
<8> err, pro law abiding citizens being able to protect themselves and their families
<1> Free: black people who have something in society to protect are no longer a problem, except for what little guilt they have left when they are called "oreos" by the crazy people
<10> how old are your niece and nephew?
<2> US: Most people are too damn dumb, undisciplines and impulsive to be allowed to own a gun
<4> FreeTrade and its not just racial -- until only last few years - women have been badly discriminated against in working world... sad to say
<5> Kerpal- nonsense.
<0> Kerpal-: not true
<1> Free: the question is how to get from where we are to where we need to be
<3> YOu go 15 miles south and north of the canadian border, Gun laws are liberal in the USA, They are Restrictive in Canada..
<3> The murder rate is the same
<8> kerpal: says you?
<5> Kerpal- a personal opinion not based even remotely on fact.
<0> Kerpal-: a minority are too dumb
<9> niece is 12, nephew 9
<3> The murder rate is the SAME
<10> cite?
<3> 15 miles on either side of the border.
<6> most ppl own guns just fine
<3> the murder rate is the same.
<10> oh, in "no man's land"
<11> FT: While I agree with the original rationale of affirmative action, as founded in the immediate post-segregation days when there truly was a huge legacy of inertial disadvantage lingering from the Jim Crow days etc. on blacks, nonetheless I would agree that the original justification and rationale has grown vastly weaker over time, and we'd be well served to amortize its termination by sometime in the near future, and regard
<10> i thought you meant canada, broadly
<3> No not no mans land.
<4> <<< am a gun owner
<3> There are border cities, there are ranches.
<2> kaliuna: Why do you own a gun
<9> I have a large weapon in my pants
<5> Ted Kennedy has killed more people with an oldsmobile than the Vast Majority of privately owned guns.
<9> ooos.. forgot the /msg kaliuna :)
<4> Kerpal - why shouldn't I?
<4> nharris -- silly
<9> hehehe
<3> A friend of ours was killed near the border, Murdered by a RCMP.
<0> I own about 10 guns now, I've owned guns since I was about 8 years old -- I've never even pointed one at another human being
<3> His girlfriend.
<5> US-Male and how many deaths have occured?
<1> Free: really?!
<0> zero
<3> I was taught young and very seriously you never point a gun at a person even if you know its empty and I never have.
<5> US-Male no blood in the streets?
<0> zero deaths or injuries from my guns
<0> nope
<3> I have taught my son that and let him shoot a handgun the first time when he was 12.
<5> US-Male you should let your guns out more
<0> hehehe
<2> kaliuna: No one owns a gun here in canada. That s why the murder, suicide, accident rate is so low compared to your country
<3> Its one thing I regret about raising my kids in the city
<1> FRee: I was taught never point a gun at someone unless you intend to kill him now
<11> Darth: If by that you mean that the great majority of gun-owners have never killed a single person with them, whereas Ted Kennedy caused one person to drown with his drunk driving, I'd agree. But if you mean the aggregate safety of guns to society is greater than Ted Kennedy, that's complete bs
<0> who has the time ;P
<3> OcDoc, I have been taught that too;) Thats a Texas saying ;)
<1> Kerpal that's silly ... many canadians own guns
<5> plusplusc Ted Kennedy is more dangerous than a law abiding gun owner, which is my point.
<4> Kerpal -- I've owned, maintained -- been out hunting and shooting guns and rifles for over 40 decades --
<0> mt Dad taught us you do not point a gun at someone unless you need to kill them for a good reason
<4> 4 decades
<5> how many murders by guns did they have in DC last year?
<0> *my
<2> Oc: Hunting rifles..very few own hand guns. Hand guns serve only one purpose..to kill other people or yourself
<0> good reason being very limited
<1> plusplus: I agree in principle but there's no evidence that Kennedy killed anyone while driving drunk
<4> Kerpal - I'm still alive and I have hand guns...
<6> can canadians have nail clippers?...apparently you can take down an airplane with a pair...
<3> OcDoc ? TED?
<9> more people die from KEEEKED DOGS yearly than by nuclear powerplant disasters
<0> you point the gun only if you are ready to kill, for solid legal reasons
<12> Kaliuna: maybe you are the exception confirming the rule :)
<3> If you are talking about Ted there is an abundance of evidence.
<13> did you kick my dog!?!
<1> Kerpal: I don't know what part of Canada you've been in, but in BC, Saskatchewan and Alberta MANY people have handguns
<11> darth: How so? If the Kopecne incident had happened today, Kennedy would have been forced to resign from office. But that was a different time a very long time ago, over 35 years ago. Ted Kennedy is a very different person now than he was then...you may not like his liberal politics, but he's not a personally irresponsible person. He married a woman who shaped him up.
<0> Kerpal-: that's propaganda, that handguns are only for killing humans
<4> rdxz not too likely -- more gun owners in USA who have never killed or been injured by their hand guns....
<1> Free: I'd rather not open another big discussion about that at this point
<4> well something like that anyway
<0> handguns are often used for hunting or target practice.
<2> kaliuna: You are smart & responsible..you don t represent the dumb average american hillbilly
<0> NOT only that, but there's nothing wrong with killing someone if you have a solid legal reason
<4> Kerpal -- 99% of legal gun owners in USA are smart and responsible --
<0> if you are protecting your family, kill the bastard
<5> plusplusc defending Ted Kennedy is not gonna make you any points bub. the fact remains, ted has killed more people than Most People's guns. spin it anyway you want, but Drunk drivers, by large, kill far more than ANY guns.
<0> pop a caop right in the guy and don't lose any sleep
<7> some people should be killed to improve the overall quality of life for everybody else
<3> Anyway, Leftwingers (Cause there is nothign liberal about it) think people who own guns have penis problems because their mind is in the gutter and in illiberal fashion like to put down and control people. On the other hand gun owners are knowlegable about guns, do not fear them, and realize just a swimming pool, someone can die if you dont take care of it.
<7> shame, but it's true
<6> 40,000 ppl a year die in car accidents
<6> in the us
<4> cars are far more dangerous!
<5> Jett it is a documented fact many people are alive because Murder is illegal.
<11> Kaliuna:...and therefore, gun laws should be shaped to have as minimal an impact on those 99% as possible, so long as they remain law-abiding and mentally stable, in contrast to say John Hinkley or that Chapman fellow who shot John Lennnon.
<12> i doubt handguns are even the 100th biggest death cause
<2> ywc: How many americans die per year due to hand gunds (murder, accident, suicide)
<7> Darth, amen
<6> 25,000
<5> nonsense.
<0> cars and swimming pools kill far more people than guns
<5> 25K over what? a ten year period?
<1> speaking of that, did you know the Pope's attempted murderer is being released from prison?
<2> darth 1 year
<3> OcDoc, OK but I have read a very thorough study of the whole the Kennedy things and 2 lawyers, one a Republican and another a Democrat read the same material and we all feel we know for a fact from the evidence gathered that he was drunk. Other then that Ill drop it.
<14> yeah tomorrow
<7> I know this statement will make me sound unbalanced, but if I won the lottery, had all the money I needed, I'd ***asinate some people.
<2> ymc: How many canadians die per year from hand guns...
<5> kerpal, I am gonna need a cite on that, last time I looked it was not even over ten k
<3> things = thing though ;)
<14> I can not belive they are letting him out of prison
<6> not enough Kerpal-
<3> Well Gun Crime has actually been going down in the USA.
<1> Free: I didn't say he wasn't drunk, I said he wasn't driving drunk when the car went off the bridge
<0> gun crime is way down in the US. It's rising in Canada
<12> JanetB: why? is he worse than other murderers?
<2> Darth: What happnes when you put hand guns in the hands of blacks living in the projects
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