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<0> Steelers might have a chance now with Carson Palmer not in the game
<1> Mark Shields made a interesting point about Delay
<2> I had to memorize all that stuff about amplifiers studying for my Amateur Radio Operators License
<2> around 1968
<2> Mark Shields is still alive?!
<1> He stated that Delay wanted to abolish all laws against corporations
<2> Stanley: depends on what the word "against" means
<1> polution laws...ect
<2> Stanley: that's pretty vague and probably incorrect
<1> I am sure if you look up the record you will find it to be true
<2> Stanley: I doubt that DeLay wants to eliminate all laws involving corporations
<2> in any way
<1> Just look at what the coal mine got away with
<2> no doubt he would like to deregulate corporations in such a way as to make them more competitive in world markets and benefit the economy if he could
<1> hundreds of safety voilations..yet paid very little in fines
<2> Stanley: what do you mean "got away with?" weren't they cited for violations?
<1> just look at the voolations and fines
<2> Stanley: the purpose of regulations is not to get money for the government, but to make them safer
<2> Stanley: if you put the mine out of business whom does that help?
<1> and how many violations did the mining company break?
<2> Stanley: you're the one making the allegations, it's yours to say
<1> you think USA workers have to put up with 3rd world conditions for profits
<2> Stanley: do you think the operators of the mine violated the regulations out of meanness?
<1> corporations can never make enough money
<2> Stanley: do you think they were trying to destroy their own mine or hurt their workers out of spite?
<2> Stanley: that's a pretty stupid thing to say, and also untrue
<1> I see you have not studied corporations or how they work
<2> Stanley: I know more about safety violations and corporations than you do, I bet ... want to compare?
<2> going out ... back later
<1> just look at the car tire company
<1> companies do nothing unless it cost them money...big money
<1> A car company or any company is not going to make changes with a few people getting killed through faults
<3> stanley: then explain the three voulentary recalls my P***at has had? without anyone getting killed
<1> It takes a lot of people to suffer and get killed before they act
<1> They are a law unto themselves
<1> drug companies testing new drugs...
<4> got a recall on my dads GMC truck cause the tailgate cables were known to corrode. nobody got hurt yet but they figured soon enough someone will be standing on the tailgate and it would snap
<3> Oh wait, you can't.. that's right, you don't actually know anything, you just reading ignorantly from que-cards
<3> bud: oh no!!! you can't mean it! yo umust be lying, that would prove stanley wrong! O;_)
<3> you know the rules bud.. go in teh corner! j/k
<4> they voluntarily recall for some pretty stupid reasons
<3> yep
<1> Lobbiest spent $3 billion last year to get their message across
<4> Lupine eh StanleyI will just change topic each time you prove him to be the idiot troll he is
<3> bud: oh absolutely!
<3> stanley: yea, freedom of speech, and the right to petition your elected representatives is a bitch
<1> Each US congressman must raise $7,000 per day for re election
<1> Who owns your congressman
<3> Let's see. Last time I wrote my senator, I had a personal response.
<3> howmany times have YOU written yoru senator or house represenative? probably never
<1> Less than 50% of americans vote
<5> Lup, like they even listen
<4> he has aussie politicians. sunshine and roses poor out their bums
<3> airbuster: maybe, maybe not. but if you dont try, you can't bitch
<5> incumbent have enough money and political resources that they really don't care what people think all that much
<3> airbuster: but in this case, it was a new republican senator who upset the democrats.. thanks, in part.. to my voting district ;-)
<5> Lup, I just came in now so I don't really know what we're discussing
<3> air: nothing.. stanley is a neo-bot, pasting from democratic underground
<5> feh, the Dems are worse
<1> US congressman are nothing more than high priced whores selling out to the highest paid lobbiest in DC
<6> well, I'm the exception, I write all the time. And believe me, Chuck Hagel hears from me :)
<1> USA is the only nation where a congressman has to spend $10 million to get a hundred thousand dollar a year job
<6> His office called me one time asking for a campaign contribution and I told her, "I will contritubute to anyone who runs against him"
<6> lol
<3> CB has him on speed dial.. but Mr Hagel has her number blocked!
<6> lol
<5> hehe
<4> what's up chuck?
<3> CB: our state rep lives in my neighborhood. She went around, door to door, solicitating[begging] for votes/contrabutions. I asked her if she remembered how she voted on the florida self defense act, she said she was proud to vote against that measure.. so I said.. well, then i'm proud to be voting against you.
<7> oh, bravo, bravo
<3> man, wish I had a camera for her face scowl... would have made Pelosi take notice
<3> timur: No, bravo was my parting shot.. "do you mind if I put a sign on your house "this is a gun free zone, feel free to rob"
<7> the #1 issue in the land
<7> yes, the gun free areas are the ones most frequently robbed.. or ARE THEY..
<3> ^^ made that up.. i'm not THAT mean in real life
<7> yer just a big teddy bear.. who happens to pack heat
<7> wait.. I see a movie concept in there somewhere
<3> of course, because I reckonize and accept the SCotUS ruling, that there is no "right" to being defended by the govn't.
<7> which ruling was that?
<3> i'ld have to look it up, but made headlines last year. Woman sued the police, because they refused to defend her from her estranged ex, even thou she even had a restraining order against them.
<7> hm..
<8> wish libs would realize they have no RIGHT to be RESCUED by the govt too. New Orleans whiners
<3> second, it is simply pragmatic. and the need for 911 shows this. Cops can't be everywhere to stop a crime.
<3> nharris: right
<3> nharris: I wish I recorded that one lady.. bitching that FEMA did not pickup her personally.. "after all, they know where I live, they send me my welfare check ever month..."
<9> hi there everyone
<8> hahahahah did she say that?
<3> lol.. the indignation on her face was awesome.. she honestly expected personalized rescue
<9> i have here a political joke from 1952 that i dont really understand, its from the movie "singing in the rain"
<8> the bush bashers constantly hammer on GW's response during the floods. He had no obligation to ***emble a rescue..that's the state's responsibility
<3> what is interesting is, abotu half of those who did die, were not poor.. and were fully able to leave.
<9> anyone into calvin cooledge's politics ?
<10> when mayor ray nagin was asked on his position on Roe vs. Wade....he responded..."i don't care how you do it, just get the hell outta town!!!"
<8> hahah
<3> hahaha
<0> yowz|: roflmao
<0> that's so wrong...bwahahahah
<3> nharris: lol, after Wilma, the *afternoon* it hit, when people were crying about where the state and FEMA was.. Jeb Bush admonished them.. saying they are expected to have at least 3 days provisions at a minimum.
<10> live by the swamp, die by the swamp
<8> yep.. good for jeb
<8> the looter defenders usually shut up when you say "a looted plasma tv screen is a survival item? you folks have a funny way of surviving!"
<9> here it is: What do they think I am, dumb or something? For I make more money than...than...Calvin Coolidge - put together!
<11> I defended the people who looted things like water and food.
<11> Not the people who were just taking advantage of the situation.
<7> PO: that's pretty much duh
<8> unf. most were the latter
<11> Timur, sometimes you have to say the duh things anyway.
<7> but of course the level of sympathy for them seems to be pretty much zero
<7> yeah, because people are often duh..mb, or just totally lacking a sense of context
<3> You know, I can not defend those looting food/water in the first 4 or 5 days.
<9> i dont get it
<9> :)
<3> Why? Because now on, more people are going to be hesitent to evacuate.
<8> was calvin a fat president?
<3> their irresponsibility to purchase a few bottles of water ahead of time.. leads to the real possibility that people will be harmed in the future.
<9> nharris> hehe does it sound like this?
<8> that might be the joke..unless he had several jobs or something :)
<9> nharris> here is the sound file if you are interested http://i-animate.org/10secondclub.org/files/soundfiles/2006-01.wav
<8> heh eok
<11> Lupine, not everyone is perfectly prepared, and I'm aware that in this case most people weren't, doesn't meant they should be punished more than their lack of preparation has already.
<7> wow, that's so asinine, I'm not even gonna address it
<3> P_O: i'm not talking about perfectly prepared.. that is a strawman arguement
<9> nharris> i thought of that too, or there were two calvin coolidges? maybe the son?
<9> im no good at american politic history
<11> Lupine, did you bother to read the clause after that?
<8> heheh what a screechy voice!
<9> hehe right
<9> the movie is from 1952
<8> maybe calvin had an entourage that people never saw broken up..and considered the whole group to be "calvin" :)
<11> Lupine, fine, let me rephrase, *not everyone prepares for even the most obvious things.
<11> That work better with you?
<3> P_O: well, "no duh"
<7> not was there even necessarily adequate supplies of bottled water
<7> or distribution thereof.
<3> timur: um, sure there is.. if there were not, how could they be in the stores to loot?
<3> er.. sure there was
<7> maybe they didn't have enough money to last for a family for 4-5 days.
<11> Lupine, now, that first clause of my statement doesn't even change the meaning of what I was getting at, so how about addressing that, people who have been caught illprepared in a natural disaster shoudln't be punished more than their ilpreparedness has punished them already.
<7> death! that'll learn 'em
<7> and their kds
<3> P_O: um "punished more"? that isn't more punishment
<11> Timur, survival of the fittest, rawr.
<3> timur: yea, that's why they went looting the day of the hurricane.. lol
<11> Lupine, well... charging someone who's stealing food as a looter would be punishment.
<11> Very mild punishment
<11> but extra none the less.
<3> in any event, that is why looting can not be tolerated. because it sets a precedent that has severe reprocussions.
<7> Lup: huh?
<9> nharris> could be...he definately was thin
<3> P_O: i'm not aware that they were charging people :P.. but I think they should have shot a few of them, to put a stop to it
<12> I love you all.....
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