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<0> heh
<1> oblivious to, wouldn't it be
<2> FreeTrade: you have an electrical license?
<3> Free exactly
<1> ignorant of, oblivious to.
<0> Seriously Plumbing and wiring a home are much easier than a compound cut for carpentry
<3> electrical takes a bit more
<0> Or an eccliptical opening
<4> Will you celebrate Darwin's birthday this coming sunday?
<5> yeh you really can't screw up wiring
<5> especially with the new "plug and play" boxes they have these days
<0> I framed an ecliptical opening by piece once, not math ;) haha.
<4> Or are you radical anti-evolution apostates? Unless you are religious extremists, you must celebrate Darwin's birthday.
<0> It worked it looks beautiful
<1> I don't really ever celebrate birthdays of ppl I dunno
<6> L.A. Mayor Blindsided by Bush Announcement
<5> you can screw up plumbing but either you got a good seal or you don't
<1> z
<4> Timur: well, do you consider Darwin to have had a positive influence on science, society and culture?
<5> deinmere of course he is.... democrats are usually blind to the truth
<0> Plumbing can be taught to a smart person in a week.
<0> same with wiring
<0> but not carpentry
<0> it takes years
<5> i used to help my dad run wiring
<5> wire the out lets and switches
<5> the ****s easy as cake
<1> e: generally, yes.
<6> LOS ANGELES - Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said Thursday he was blindsided by
<6> President Bush's announcement of new details on a purported 2002 hijacking plot aimed at a downtown skyscraper, and described communication with the White House as "nonexistent."
<1> but lots of people have, and I don't celebrate their b'days. :)
<4> `426Hemi: it's clear that both democrat and republican partisans are blind to the truth. Anybody who subscribes blindly to the ideology of a political party or a religion, clearly doesn't care about the truth.
<7> only thing i know bout plumbing is **** gravitates downward, and not up
<0> Yep, Ive done large commercial wiring jobs too, now what gets more complicated is triple phase.
<0> whenever I deal with triple phase which is infrequently as possible Ihave to crack the book and really study it every single time.
<2> FreeTrade: Do you have an electrical license?
<4> Timur: don't you worry that as we speak, Darwin's legacy is under attack by radical extremists who want to destroy the scientific fiber of our children?
<5> yeh FT, i have never done commercial stuff, just residential
<8> why would you get a sports car in this color? http://images.forbes.com/images/2002/03/25/feat6_415x209.jpg
<0> There is either single phase or triple phase in modern wiring, usually triple phase in industrial not commercial but industrial
<4> `426Hemi: when you say that "democrats" are blind to the truth, do you somehow imply that republicans aren't ?
<8> e-Hernick: less so
<0> I dont have an electricians license i have debated getting it, I clearly qualify and would only have to take the state exam.
<5> e_Hernick, no republicans aren't blind
<5> and the proof is in the pudding
<8> e-Hernick: this isn't surprising since democrats perpetually live in a fantasy world
<0> But I dont need a licence to do electrical in california if I am a licensed General Contractor.
<3> in OR you do
<0> A General Contractor is tested on all trades.
<4> `426Hemi: so you're a partisan republican who claims that the republican ideology is "more true" ?
<5> we control the house and senate, have 2 appointees sucessfully appointed to the supreme court, and own the white house
<2> FreeTrade: How were you able to wire then? It is against the law to do so without a license.
<5> e-Hernick, I know for you the truth is hard to accept
<0> and as long as he does 2 or more trades in a job he can do electrical or plumbing.
<3> to lay wire 1 license, to put in conduit another, to hang CAT5 another
<5> its quite simple, republicans have a more realistic view of where this country is headed
<8> all new houses should come pre-wired with CAT6
<4> `426Hemi: so you consider yourself to be part of the republican party, enough so that you can use "we" to speak about it?
<5> panini, thye should make "all in one wiring"
<0> say Im going to redo a open wall and i have to rewire it, I can do both, or a contractor who is doing a larger job can sub contract out to me the electrical which has happened.
<5> e_hernick I am a registered republican, is that good enough for you?
<4> all in one wiring? that's crazy
<8> `426Hemi: agreed... maybe a fiber optic bundle?
<4> fiber optic is not a good choice for inside the home
<0> And a lot of contractors have hired me to do the street connections and put in the major service because they fear the electricity coming from teh transformer.
<4> high quality copper is much more appropriate
<5> e-Hernick no its not crazy, its been talked about for several years now and they are talking that it may become the industry standard
<0> I accident touched both poles once.. haha scared the **** out of me.
<1> bbl, take care, folks
<9> the United States currently faces a deficit of $427 billion for fiscal year 2005<--thank you GOPers dont u love how GOpers whine about small gov and then make it 40% larger when in power?
<8> copper is sooo 19th century
<2> hmmmmm
<10> e-Hernick at least in cali they enforce the code... here in NC they rarely enforce the code, it's a big problem for us reputable contractors to 1: compete with 1/2 ***ers who charge almost nothing 2: have to clean up thier disasters.
<5> ecur, the government is not 40% larger, sorry, nice try
<0> ecur, Republicans have over the last 40 years or so been strong on defense.
<0> The democrats would love to see a trillion dollar deficit on social spending.
<4> `426Hemi: I don't see your argument. four pairs of 5e copper can carry gigabit ethernet over 300ft using 10$ transceivers on either end
<9> FreeTrade, yes, we need strong defense because the Canadians might invade
<4> `426Hemi: with fiber, you need to spend thousands on the transceivers in order to gain any benefit
<5> the government has grown at a average steady rate the same amount under Bush as has under Clinton except in the first fiscal year of Bush's presidency when we got struck by terrorists
<8> that's not the point
<5> and most of that was retooling from Clintons **** ups
<4> `426Hemi: so, for 99% of current and foreseeable usage scenarios, there's no point in fiber
<0> Republicans have cut the rate of growth in programs but not cut the essential programs which maintain welfare and entitlements.
<9> Since the war Afghanistan has become the world's foremost opium producer...what a great victory for America!
<0> ecur, I love opium production
<11> cut the rate of growth does not mean they cut program...
<5> e-Hernick i am not talking about electric, cable, and well yes fibre all in one shot
<8> the point is, do you wanna run an ethernet cable, and separate audio/video cables, voice line, power, dsl to EACH room?
<9> FreeTrade, Bush cuts student loans and Medicare, but increases budget for war and demands permanent tax cuts for the rich --> http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/08/bush.budget/index.html
<11> only that they are not growing it as fast
<0> I think it should be capitalized on, produce more real opiates instead of so many synthetic opiates.
<8> instead of just one wire bundle
<4> fiber is a waste of money - equipment is built to use copper and does so more affordably than it could use fiber. technology has not come close to fully utilizing the capacity of existing copper. So. why would you want fiber? What's the application? What are you going to DO with fiber, today or in 5 years, that you can't do better with copper?
<5> ecur put a sock in it....
<11> ecur..Afghanistan has always ben a top Opium producer
<8> e-Hernick: bandwidth
<5> exactly Cry
<0> One day, it will all be fiber unless they come up with a better material, its just that noone knows when someday will be
<4> panini: you're all theoritical. you don't consider the practical applications. I'm asking: what equipement, what specific application would you need fiber for today or within five years?
<0> They thought it was a 5 or 7 years ago when fiberoptics was one of the hottest aread of speculation.
<11> e-Hernick...data carriage
<0> They got fried no pun intended.
<10> FreeTrade well, platinum would be better than copper :) ... extruded diamond fiber would be better than fiber optic I'd wager.
<12> if you plant winds then you will get storms, that's what so many countries are doing, and i include US too
<8> dude, i just told you
<5> shall we speak about the billions of dollars Clinton wasted on tommahawk missles bombing deserts and tents? or how he got us involved in the quagmire of Yugoslavia?
<11> Las Vegas already has fiber O
<5> in which we are STILL there
<0> Kobushi, but dont forget costs ;)
<4> We're talking about fiber inside the home.
<8> i want to route all media/data signals throughout the house
<9> Point: The US is running up the largest deficits in history while the richest 1% of Americans, who already control FORTY PERCENT of the nation's resources, receive record tax breaks. Counter-point: Liberals have their head up their ***es! Winner: CONSERVATOID
<10> FreeTrade oh, well you didn't mention cost ^_^
<4> panini: gigabit ethernet will do that fine
<11> YoMismo do you mean thery who sow the wind reap the whirlwind?
<5> or shall we talk about Clintons idiocy in leaving our country vulnerable to repeated terrorist attacks?
<0> If you could run the internet on almost 100% fiber from teh source actually to your monitor, we would save gobs of energy
<11> Fibre is good for your diet
<4> panini: and you don't need to route everything over different cables if you use ethernet. You can have video, voice, audio - anything you can route over other media, ethernet will do too.
<0> bbiab
<13> pull my finger
<5> i get tons of fibre by drinking grain alcohol
<4> Do you have any idea how insignificant an amount of energy we'd save by switching to fiber?
<5> Yeh Baby! RAWRRR!
<10> Well, I'll worry about wanting fiber optic in my house when I can get more than 1000 Mbps of data comming TO my house :)
<11> 4~~~~~~~~26.....He....m....i...
<10> And that day is a LONG way away
<5> Yeh its got a Hemi! =P
<0> e-hernick it would be very significant data would be carried on extremely low current light
<4> You people aren't making very good arguments for fiber. There are some uses for it; FTTN is a reality, FTTH is interesting in some newer high-density developments.. but fiber inside the home?
<13> chicks lie it whe you ask them to pull your finger
<10> However... I'd like a full fiber infrastructure near my house, in oder to reduce latency
<11> so as to hide the POS engine
<13> like*
<11> bbiab food time
<4> FreeTrade: what would you guess is the percentage of power consumption used by computers that is spent on transceivers and other copper-based communications?
<0> 120 volts an hour I could send 10million gigbytes of data probably across the world Each machine used anywhere from what ? 240v -500v ?
<0> when in operation
<10> I suspect that more energy is used removing the heat that computers make from thier respctive buildings than is consumed by the computers themelves
<4> how can you measure this in volts?
<4> this is crazy
<0> Kobushi, AND producing the heat!
<13> err data doesn';t usually = volts
<0> Energy is neither created nor destroyed.
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