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<0> http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-10-embargo-qna_x.htm
<0> Under the program, $31 billion was spent on food, medicine and related items that significantly improved the health and nutrition of average Iraqis.
<1> Bigoted behavior from this ip/domain
<0> His regime got about $11 billion in illicit revenue from 1990 to the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. Most of it, about $7.5 billion, was from selling oil to neighboring countries, sometimes with tacit U.N. approval. After 1996, more than $2 billion came into Saddam's direct control from the oil-for-food program and related corruption.
<0> Among those whose names were found by the inspectors: Benon Sevan, the former chief of the oil-for-food program; Charles Pasqua, former French interior minister; President Megawati Sukarnoputri of Indonesia, and Russian ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
<1> Haliburton didnt make substantially more profits than they do in any other year while in Iraq. Sure they made profits but they are uniquely positioned as a US company to do this kind of work, and also Thier nearest competitor according to wall street doesnt even do the kind of work Halliburton does in Iraq.. Now there are firms in other countries, but if it wasnt British or Austrailian or Polish I would not be happy.
<0> need any more "sources" there ecur?
<2> i think he's been fairly deluged
<0> woah its snowing like **** out
<3> Since 1963, the US alone has spent 568 billion in africa
<3> and what has it accomplished
<3> 13,000,000,000 per year
<2> dependency
<3> for 40 years
<2> lack of motivation for self-sufficiency is what it has accomplished
<1> I believe especially in the initial stages of US investment in Iraq it was only proper that contracts go to US countries and coalition countries with some proportion to the mount of money the host nation (USA) for example is giving.
<4> http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/vehiclesforsale/vehiclesforsalethumbs.htm
<2> a prominent african politician recently said one of the biggest hindrances to africa's economic development is the m***ive foreign aid
<5> typical leftist attitude, all about intentions, never examining results
<6> fordnut, 568 billion in africa? you said 6 trillion
<1> Fallllout, its clearly possible.
<2> ecur: 568 billion is the US alone
<2> he never said 6 trillion was the us alone
<1> when you give people grain instead of a tractor and teach them to harves their own grain its clearly possible.
<7> !list
<1> Though I don't really know that much about the facts of Africa.
<0> fordnut 6 trillion dollars have gone into africa since 1960 <---- FROM ALL the West
<2> ecur if you want to debate you have to pay attention to what is actually being ***erted
<6> Fallllout, it has yet to be defined what that figure even is
<6> Fallllout, is it trade? development aid? military aid? humanitarian aid?
<0> funny, yer the only one who is debating what the figure represents
<6> Fallllout, how much of it has gone to dictators?
<0> the rest of us knew what fordnut meant
<6> Fallllout, how much has been spent on public health?
<2> ecur: so you're saying perhaps the system isn't perfect
<2> good
<0> TONS
<2> we're making progress
<6> FreeTrade, it is kind of hard to farm when you are drinking unsafe water
<0> we give more money to africa each year than any other country in the world in the form of DIRECT AID
<1> Ecur, I stated that my knowlege of Africa is somewhat limited.
<2> by ecur's own admission, the foreign aid is not working as intended
<6> `426Hemi, the USA is also the most populace developed nation by far
<0> what does "unsafe" water have to do with farming????
<1> I know a little, I dont know a lot so I am not qualified to speak much on these issues, other than i know Civil war has been a large problem in Africa.
<6> `426Hemi, you can't farm if you are sick from unsafe drinking water
<8> what, they do not know to boil water?
<0> ecur.... the majority of africa is DESERT
<0> heh
<1> IN somalia we had the food to feed everyone. the militias made it impossible to distribute it
<6> The United Nations has estimated that by 2015 at least 40% of the world's population will lack an adequate supply of water. Even now, one person in five does not have access to safe drinking water - http://www.greenparty.org/water.php
<8> oy vey, such excuses
<1> I know little facts like that but i am no expert on Africa.
<0> boo hoo hooooo pooor world
<6> FreeTrade, that was due to a genocide
<0> not our problem
<9> civil war, aids, tribalism, corrupt leadership, involvement direct or indirect of former colonial powers, religious disputes (and involvement by .. among others.. Arab states including Saudi Arabia)
<9> like the slavery in Sudan, for example
<2> i bet our pioneers had all kinds of bottled water available to them to make the midwest US such a strong farming region
<0> hey i will trade you a gallon of water for a gallon of oil=)
<0> seems like fair trade to me
<9> or the encouragement by Arab (mostly Gulf Arab) states encouraging secession of Eritrea
<0> and the water won't be potable...
<10> that's not an excuse for no country in africa to neve have done anything
<9> some have done some things
<0> if you want potable water than trade me a gallon of gasoline, for a gallon of potable water
<10> like figure out how to have drinking water
<6> `426Hemi, the GOP is happy to see africa raped of its natural resources and its populace left destitute
<0> ????
<2> AH HAH
<0> raped?
<9> no, I don't think it is.
<2> ITS ALL ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS
<9> yeah, how did that even get into it
<6> Fallllout, the USA is the only G8 country not supporting the Kyoto Global Warming Agreement. the USA is calling for reductions in promised G8 humanitarian aid to Africa also
<9> silliness
<11> heh
<5> oh jesus, what a clown
<8> KYOTO is a JOKE
<9> pretty much
<2> ok
<6> Fallllout, yeah malaria was a real problem too
<0> uhmmm i really do not appareciate being accused of raping a country that my tax paying dollars does to , to help support their idiocy
<9> ecur: are you.. African?
<2> Kyoto and Africa.
<8> and the countrys that are using it are finding HIGHER levels of emmission and bad air
<8> hahahah
<1> Timur, What do you think about the Saudi amb***ador to the USA talking about promoting tolerance of religious beliefs including christian and jewish in the world.. I believe he was sincere, I have no reason not to.. Saudi Arabis largest problem has not been control of people but lack of control. America has more control over what students are taught in pre school that Saudi Arabia.
<0> ecur `426Hemi, the GOP is happy to see africa raped of its natural resources and its populace left destitute
<12> of the top 16 recipients of US foreign aide...5 are in Africa..Liberia, Ethiopia, Uganda, Sudan, and Kenya...totalling .71 Billion Dollars...or slightly more than 1/3 the amount given to largest recipent (other than Iraq)...Israel..who recieved $2.62 billion in FY 2004
<1> ecur: Tony Blair is not supporting it.
<0> ecur let me clue you in on a little secret?
<2> That's a way to debate. Tackle two completely unrelated subjects at the same time so you can divert attention from your failing arguments on one with failing arguments on the other.
<1> HE said he believed in it but it was way too expensive for any nation to comply fully.
<0> the GOP has given more money to africa than any previous democrat controlled senate or government
<1> And it has serious inequities.
<5> ecur its morons like you that INVALIDATE genuine reasons people have for being concerned about important causes. When jack***es like yourself and the lunatics who's websites you read hijack issues for political purposes and gain, people suffer
<0> so take your lies somewhere else
<1> China and Russia and INdia get a free ride.
<9> FT: I think it's a cl***ic case, as with Arafat, of talking out both sides of one's mouth. That might be what he'd like to have happen, but in terms of doing stuff to make it happen, that's harder and one wonders how comprehensive the efforts are to implement such a policy or policies based on such a sentiment.
<1> despite them being the most developing industrial polluters in the world, especially China and INdia
<10> sure the usa likes africa
<1> Timur, Kind of like Netanyahu
<6> Africa experiences capital flight of up to $90 billion a year and the external stock of capital held by Africa's political elites is $700 billion-800 billion. Along with missing billions in export earnings from oil, gas, diamonds and other minerals that are not openly accounted for
<10> but they can't help it if there are psychos in charge there
<9> FT: no, like itself.
<1> Though I respect olmhert even if his name is difficult.
<0> ecur, source please?
<1> I think he is for real.
<8> so what.. thats not our problem
<13> I get E Mails all the time to help africans out with there money
<9> there's really not much comparison, since Netanyahu wasn't supporting a global jihadist movement.
<2> Incidentally, since ecur brought up Kyoto, I wonder if he can name any countries that are actually compliant with the emission levels they signed up to?
<9> FT: 'ole mert'
<13> The offers are so good I am having a hard time to figure out which one to make my first millions off of
<0> Ole Mart
<1> Ehud Olmert
<1> There;
<0> A Hood Ole Mart
<14> Anyone here from Los Angeles?
<1> hehe
<14> Or a Los Angeles resident?
<9> right, I was spelling for the purpose of phonetics
<6> `426Hemi, www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4173463
<1> Is it pronounced olemert ?
<9> FT: rigth.
<1> oh lee mert ?
<14> FreeTrade: Correct
<9> no.
<1> really ?
<9> OLE
<9> as in OLD
<9> like Ole Miss
<14> Yes
<9> Ole. Mert.
<1> Ol Mert
<9> right.
<14> Ja
<1> Ok, that would be like an English pronunciation.
<1> Very similar anyway
<1> American English
<14> Anyone else in here a Los Angeles resident?
<9> yeah, not that hard
<2> ecur: You really think the US is the only G8 country who doesn't support Kyoto? Name a G8 country who does--who actually is meeting the emission levels in that protocol.
<1> Ive been to LA a few times :)
<10> there are homo***uals for los angelans
<0> Percy Mistry
<0> Oxford International Group
<0> Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire
<1> I prefer the nothern central region of California
<10> chans
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