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<0> Mikey: you are more LP than Pub, right?
<1> but when you have every branch of gov held captive by special interest
<2> Bush was right on social security but noone would listen, they put their heads in the sand instead.. So oh well, most people wont have social security..
<2> Tough luck...
<1> you have to play host to that
<3> my god, is anyone here NOT a republican?
<2> Im almost 50 and I dont think I will get mine.
<2> hasp333, a lot of them are not
<4> MikeyD... Perot nearly got 20% of the vote... why can't libertarians come close?
<0> Haps333: not too many true Republicans here
<3> you know, it's so nice to see the generation that's responsible for the mess we're in cheering on people like Bush
<0> don't mistake not hating Bush for being a Republican
<1> LSDWash: actually, im more of a republican, and the current republicans are more like religious zealots/lufewarm socialists
<3> being good Germans
<4> LP *zenith* was 1.06%... they are beat out by independent runs all the time... and they have a national party ffs.
<0> MikeyD: so a TRADITIONAL/true/real republican
<2> But liberal by my defintion not societies.
<4> The year the LP got their best turn out ever, they were beat out by an independent who got 6 times as much of the vote.
<2> I am not a leftist liberal
<3> I have no problem with traditional conservatism
<3> It's criminality I have a problem with
<2> I am a liberal of the libertarian bent
<1> current day "libertarians" are really nothing more than old school republicans
<5> The editorial staff of the alternative weekly New York Press walked out today, en m***e, after the paper's publishers backed down from printing the Danish cartoons that have become the center of a global free-speech fight.
<0> I think LP is more 'Republican' in a traditional sense that the so-called Republicans these days
<0> MikeyD: jinx
<1> ha
<6> man all these labels being thrown around;p
<6> 'left' and 'right' are probably the most well defined of these phrases, and they arn't well defined at all. "leftist" puts an image in my head. "liberal" doesn't
<1> i cant say the libertarian party is really appealing to even want to join in the first place
<3> suna, gotta keep the left/right balance going or people might to think for themselves
<4> Old school republicans had their run... and were dumped for the dems.
<6> haha haps
<1> as smart of people as they have, they really make stupid mistakes
<6> very very true
<6> ;p
<3> It's tragic how dumb people are
<2> Pickle it puts editors in a weird spot, do you publish something because you are told not to ? Or do you not publish it ? Its a hard decision, I would address my editorial staff and say this. OK lets forget anything going on right now, If we were doing political satire, is this something we would publish ? If not i wouldnt, If yes I would.
<1> theres several issues the lp just neds to shut up about and get off of and use their airtime for much more important issues
<2> Thats if I was an editor
<4> Old school republicans lost the house, the senate, the white house, the Supreme Court, the state legislatures, the governorships... they lost it all. Is it any surprise the party changed gears?
<6> You can stereotype what someone thinks about abortion, terrorism, war in iraq, our current president, bill clinton, global warming, the list goes on and on......simply from waht somebody says they believe about taxes!
<6> and you'll be right most of the time!
<6> (though not always)
<1> well, lets look at that
<2> But personally I wouldnt publish anything offensive to Jews, christians or muslims.
<6> this is undeniable proof that people arn't thinking of themselves, as you say, and are just...lying.
<1> the huge dixiecrat concentration in the south started that loss that later led to change
<1> i mean, lets be honest here
<5> FreeTrade: I think that the cartoons were insulting, and I probably wouldn't have published them originally, along with any other cartoons insulting to major world religions. But now that it's done, and the extremists are trying to suppress the western press, I think that the media has a responsibility to defy them, which means printing the cartoons.
<4> The democrats had to change gears too.
<4> Especially now... even though they don't see it yet.
<1> republicans were facing revolts from bigoted and racist democrats in the south who refused to back a party that had already before that ime championed and p***ed 3 civil rights bills
<2> I dont know, I would become detached non emotional and say is there a reason other than defiance to publish these ? If so we might.. But I am not an editor and probably never will be, except ircpolitics.org and even then I rarely publish anything.
<4> They've lost the house, the senate, the white house, the courts, the state legislatures and the state governorships... but the balance is still close in them... so they haven't abandoned all hope yet.
<6> republicans are racist! no, democrats are racist! your mom is racist!
<6> blah i'm so tired of hearing that crap
<6> nobody is perfect, get over it
<1> not to mention, that whole uproar about booker t washingtons visit to the white house with roosevelt
<1> teddy roosevelt
<2> The view that racists from the south joined the gop is false.. this is something a lot of democrats claim
<3> woah, a whole page full of lag
<4> suna... we're talking about historical points in party histories.
<6> poo:)
<4> Not the modern party issues right now.
<2> Itys very interesting to learn that more democrats voted for David Duke than Republcians when he ran for governor of louisiana
<3> freetrade, uh, didn't Jesse Helms do exactly that?
<6> indeed, I was quite incorrect;p
<3> Strom Thurmond? Wasn't he another?
<4> Haps333... aye, he was a dixiecrat type.
<1> so as a result of losing key votes in the south, republicans had to shut up about the whole equal rights thing
<1> oh
<5> FreeTrade: There is no reason other than defiance to publish them--but I think that's an important enough reason to publish them. We have to teach the extremists that they do not controll the western media, or we're screwed. Because the demands are just going to escalate.
<3> well, then it's not false, is it?
<2> Jessie helms and thurmond renounced any racism they once had, which is admirable when you grow up being taught it.
<7> hey, this is a legal question, where would someone find out sentencing guidelines for misdemeanor laws
<4> Haps333... he abandoned that later on in his career.
<3> free, yeah, I'm sure they were really being sincere about it
<2> I even forgive democrat Robert Byrd for being X KKK
<5> Today the extremists demand we not publish the cartoons. What will they demand tomorrow?
<2> xas in ex
<4> He was a dixiecrat type in the 40's, 50's hot and heavy.
<0> yeah, only Democrats like Robert KKK Byrd can be trusted when they renounce their racist pasts
<0> puh leez
<1> and lets not forget when sinatra and crew sans dean was out pushing JFKs presidential run and the way that the democratic events sammy davis jr was heckeled and ridiculed and was told to not come to any further events
<4> Meh... no renoucing needed.
<1> racism is an indivudal issue, not a party directive on either side
<2> If the extremeists demand we act like adults thats cool, if they demand we act like them, then to hell with them. Thats a strange way for me to word it but there is a message in that I can say no better or think of no better words.
<4> The current party isn't anything like it used to be. They are the party that has done the 180
<2> if Someone can convince that pornographer who one a 1st amendment case
<1> well, the dems were smart
<2> Larry flynt to stop producing such hard core depiction of slutty women its good..
<2> But when they tell him he cant do a mans magazine they are wrong
<1> when the big boom of the civil rights movement in the 60s, the dems flipped totally
<5> FreeTrade: By demanding the cartoons not be published under threat of violence, they are demanding we submit to their will.
<2> hard to explain
<3> why is that good?
<1> and suddenly 100 years of history was forgotten
<5> That sort of submission sets a dangerous precedent.
<2> Pickle to submit to something rightous even under threat is not a sign of weakeness.
<5> And I would suggest that submitting to them in the past is why we're where we are.
<2> To submit to something unrightous under threat is a sign of weakness.
<1> no ****
<5> FreeTrade: To them, that's exactly what it is: a sign of weakness.
<5> And subservience.
<2> But thats my opinion I have no animosity toward Islam. I have no sympathy for violent protestors either.
<2> I am willing to stand and state both my positions.
<1> see, people wouldnt have these issues if government had never become this large
<1> look at people now
<4> MikeyD... yeah, but we can't go back in time.
<2> A) I wont reprint that insulting stuff but B) YOu are acting like damn fools by threatening people and taking it so personally
<5> FreeTrade: You have to put yourself in the heads of the extremists: what does capitulation mean? It means that we can get our way with the infidels if we threaten more 9/11s and headchoppings.
<2> Its not safety I seek
<4> Republicans can't support the same social/economic stance they did in 1920... the courts have made such stances unconstitutional.
<7> hey, this is a legal question, where would someone find out sentencing guidelines for misdemeanor laws
<2> Its doing the right thing which I can only determine for myself.
<2> Based on my morality and life experience and mode of thinking.
<8> sup y'all
<1> you can take key socialist ideals like social security, the income tax, prohibition, and the other **** and trace these back to when you saw a huge difference in the level of self reliance of americans
<2> Others may feel differently and are free to express it how they want.
<4> The domination of court appointees by the 'progressives' has pretty much destroyed any hope for libertarian type legislation to hold up.
<2> MikeyD most those horrible programs started in times of national crisis.
<1> none of these programs should have been instituted based on them violating liberty to begin with
<1> FreeTrade: i know
<1> its a cop out
<2> Now if they had privatized social security from day 1 there would NEVER be a solvency issue
<4> It's not just a cop out... it is the central problem for libertarian views today.
<5> If they had peacefully demonstrated their offense, I would not think that the cartoons should be published. It is proper to teach that peaceful protest results in peaceful consequence. It is the violence of the protests that demands we not surrender. Because that is submission to terrorism.
<1> and politicians like FDR paved the way for it
<1> the new deal and the great society
<4> The courts were dominated by 'progressive' politics... and now people are used to the benefits of them... so A) They're considered Constitutional now. B) The voters support them.
<1> we went from "ha ha, were americans!" to "oh god please goverment take care of me"
<2> SOS The rightward pendulum returning from the left on the courts will stop judicial activism or at least slow it down and you will see legislatures making more decisions as it ought to be
<4> FreeTrade... still a long long way to go.
<1> one day something will happen
<1> who knows
<2> The political process will be reinvigorated.. And you are right a very long way to go
<1> personally, one day i see capitalists buying a country to call their own, take america as a lesson and do it better than we did
<4> 9 justices: 4 die hard liberals, 1 liberal, 2 die hard conservatives, and 2 unknowns.
<1> cause before too long
<4> As long as alito doesn't flip, we'll have 3 conservatives up there.
<4> But the balance is still in the liberal's favor.
<4> We need at least 2 of the liberals to get replaced by conservatives.
<1> politicians will make us so weak, that theyll start to echo things like a one world nation
<4> All Bush has been able to do is replace 2 conservatives with 2 other potential conservatives.
<1> people will have no choice but to leave tyranny once again just as we did when we came here from england and other areas
<2> Cool this video capture is good quality
<6> i find the idea that they are all strongly liberal and/or conservative sickening personally
<4> MikeyD... when it isn't considered tyranny by the population at large, not much hope for a revolution.
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