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<0> thank You IamKing
<1> Because perfection depends too heavily on values which vary considerable from person to person.
<1> Christians would consider the perfect person to be different from how I might consider the perfect person.
<2> jega: why can't you accept that there is no pefect solution to this?
<0> there are people who choose to contribute to society,...
<3> There are some incredibly sick ****s walking the earth and when they cross us, they must be killed.
<2> perfect
<1> There are almost never perfect solutions.
<0> and people who wish to destroy it
<1> Why must they, Cathy?
<4> sure there does. my woman is perfect. just ask her, she will tell you.
<1> What will happen if we don't kill them?
<2> ideals don't belong in this debate, becuse no matter what the solution a very pretty ideal is gonna be ignored!
<1> Havoc, that is insufficient.
<0> Jega..you prob think they can be rehabilitated...
<1> Depends too heavily on how you wish society to be.
<0> so do I....as compost
<3> It's simple self defense. If we don't kill them, they will kill us.
<1> One person might consider Nelson Mandela a society destroyer.
<1> If that society is corrupt that destroying it would be good.
<0> Nelson Mandela does NOT = Timothy McVeigh
<5> JegaPRIME: because the risk of keeping such an individual alive is far more serious than removing that cancer from human society
<1> Why?
<1> What is the risk?
<2> what about the person who kills the one who killed? :)
<5> Timothy McVeigh was a disease...and he needed to be removed
<0> they lost their right to live...
<5> for both the physical and mental health of society
<2> a firing squad is a great solution, such that nobody knows who did it
<1> He can be removed.
<2> not even the shooter
<1> Place him in prison.
<5> JegaPRIME: sending such a person to prison is NOT removing him
<0> thx once again IamKing,...I have delayed the revolution :P
<6> JegaPRIME, people get killed in prison too.
<1> Societies do not have mental health.
<1> Why is is not removing him?
<1> I think it is removing him.
<0> Societies have mores, rules and standards...
<1> Society is that which exists outside of prison walls.
<0> and penalties fro not obeying them
<5> JegaPRIME: yes, they do...take the Middle East for example...they are seriously ****ed in the head, collectively speaking
<1> Which vary from person to person, CryHavoc.
<1> Socities don't really exist.
<3> How many prison breaks have there been in the news lately? A dozen prisoners in the last week?
<1> They are collections of individuals.
<6> JegaPRIME, ...
<7> collections of individuals are the best kind of collections
<5> JegaPRIME: the reason why we have laws and a system of punishment when those laws are broken is so that society can continue to function under GOOD FAITH
<0> one of ours is you do not touch off a rental truck full of fuel oil and Nitrates next to a federal building
<2> why do you believe that humans have a fundemental right to live reguardless of what they do?
<1> I wouldn't make public policy off of what 'has been in the news lately'.
<2> who has given us this great 'right'?
<6> "Paints don't really exist! They are just substances designed to stain things of various colors!"
<8> haha .. someone just sent me a pix of Babs .. a bird **** on her
<1> Iam, punishment? You mean like locking them away in prison?
<8> been a long time coming :)
<6> You can't say that something doesn't exist because of the words definition.
<1> Or did you equate punishment with death?
<6> A society is a collection of individuals
<1> I'm saying you can NEVER ask society what it thinks.
<9> CometBaby babs?
<1> Because it is far too diverse.
<8> Barbra Streisand
<1> There were always be elements of society in which some individuals disagree with the majority position.
<7> p_o if you use the words definition youre affirming it exists:)
<5> JegaPRIME: when one lives inside a nation, it is EXPECTED and REQUIRED of such person to follow those laws of the land...when they disobey those laws (such as murdering 100's of people), then they must be dealt with in a manner that can appease society's grief against the loss of so many people within its jurisdiction
<1> There is a difference between existence and essence.
<1> Read up, Redfish.
<2> this has gone so outrageously off topic lol
<1> Iam, that is weak.
<7> all something needs to exist is to refer to something
<1> That will lead to evil and mob rule.
<2> if you read the last two screens somebody who have no idea that you were talking about capital punishment
<1> And that is not how our system of justice is setup.
<3> If you're going to put someone in prison in lieu of executing them, you put them in a room serviced for air, water, and with a means to supply food and remove waste, but then you weld the door shut and fill in behind it with concrete. Then, I'll say you don't need the death penalty.
<0> and also IamKing, make sure they can not do so again
<1> Long ago, we would allow the mob -- full of emotion and hate -- to decide the justice.
<1> What happened? Well, a lot of innocent people were hurt.
<5> JegaPRIME: locking up a multiple-murderer in prison is NOT sufficient punishment...it is a slap against society's collective face
<1> Because emotional people make poor decisions.
<3> MSNBC is declaring a false alarm at the Russel office building.
<1> So we removed the mob from justice.
<9> CometBaby you missed Timur earlier. I posted a story of an 87 year old lady, who after 3 previous breakins.. the last one she was beaten to an inchof her life.. was given a .38special revovler, and shot/killed an intruder last week..
<2> JegaPRIME will hold this stance no matter what happens. He reminds me of a religious nut who will keep saying the earth is 10,000 years old, no matter how many times he is disproved.
<1> Iam.
<1> I am a part of society.
<5> CryHavoc: exactly, since the crime was so heinous
<1> I don't consider it a slap in my face.
<2> anyay
<1> Do you?
<2> now you're talking about nothing
<2> :P
<5> JegaPRIME: YOU as an individual don't really matter
<1> If you do than that is what you feel. Please do not attribute society to your opinion.
<2> PO didn't give up, he got bored of the off topic bull****
<0> thats the once concept the rehabilitate crowd does not get
<1> I don't really matter?
<1> What matters?
<10> ok, guys, another question. i've read about NSC-68 and understand the connection between that and the korean war. but how did the war itself change, if in any way, the american foreign policy?
<1> Look where you're going.
<1> You're not saying existing, law-abiding citizens don't matter.
<0> McVeigh and Dahmer types WILL NOT REHABILITATE!!!
<1> This is a pretty dangerous road.
<5> JegaPRIME: you are outnumbered by the majority of people who DO support the death penalty in such instances...and no amount of your belly-aching is going to change that simple fact
<1> now*
<6> suna, I don't like debating with people who can't see when they've made a really obvious logical error.
<2> exactly po
<1> Iam, majority rule is insufficient.
<1> We do not live in a total democracy.
<1> Why?
<2> which is why i said he'd hold his stance no matter what
<11> 1978 - Proceedings of the United States Senate are broadcast on radio for the first time.
<2> and he reminds me of religious psychos
<1> Because total democracies are capable of great evil.
<2> no matter what anybody presented to this guy
<0> no...thinking you can reform a dissociative psychopath i the dangerous path
<1> We live in a limited democracy.
<2> he'd never change his mind
<2> or if he did, he'd never admit it
<1> Because it was recognized that some rights are inalienable no matter how many people say otherwise.
<0> the USA is a Republic
<1> Right.
<5> JegaPRIME: nope, it is the basis of the laws of this land...all laws are p***ed by majority vote, either via representatives or by public referendum...it is ALWAYS by majority vote
<1> And a limited democracy.
<2> PRIME: STAY ON TOPIC FOR ****S SAKES
<2> what you're doing could not be remotely useful to anybody
<10> guys? any opinions?
<2> you're jumping all over the place every 3 lines
<2> blah
<2> brb
<0> and if you disagree with a law...you can use the avenues of law to change it
<1> Iam.
<1> This is false.
<1> You must think the legislature can do whatever it wans.
<3> This statement is false.
<1> I find this strange because we live in a country with a system of three powers.
<11> 1990 - The first recorded use of the chatspeak term "troll", found in the Google Usenet archive.
<5> JegaPRIME: and SCotUS has not deemed capital punishment to be "cruel and unusual", so deal with it, bitch
<0> nope...Checks and Balances
<3> C'est ne une pipe.
<1> The Supreme Court and other courts interpret law to see if it is within the confines of the Constitution.
<1> Iam.
<1> Do you see what you're doing?
<0> and they decided our death penalty is constitutional
<1> You've become very upset and you are trying to say hurtful things to a human being.
<1> Human beings are the most valuable entity in an ethical system.
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