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<0> the thing that bothers me is thier no multiple intherance
<0> from parnet to two childs
<1> yeah just do an interface
<1> you can implement multiple interfaces
<1> the case where you need to extend 2 cl***es and borrow all their code is pretty rare
<1> but java does err on the side of not letting you do stuff if it's not the way they think it should work
<1> like their date and calendar cl***es are such a PITA
<1> to deal with
<0> i got like ecpsiple 3.5
<0> or such
<0> but I getting used to jcreator
<0> I like java better then other lang not sure why
<2> Abusive Domain or User
<1> cause it
<1> it's easy and has a library for everything
<1> you can download so much awesome stuff for java
<1> we have a search engine that we just downloaded, it's all open source
<1> lucene.apache.org
<1> we threw a web service interface in front of it, generated code with another free package, jwsdp from sun
<1> and boom we have a scalable search engine that works from a cluster
<0> with out much big development
<1> yeah
<3> java is slower than ****
<0> in c++ it would of taken longer
<0> Null_Ptr it gett better
<1> null_ptr yeah i'm not working on the space shuttle though
<0> as your cpu get faster it get better
<3> well of course as your cpu get faster it get better
<3> thats not saying anything at all
<1> the average datacenter has so much underutilized cpu power
<1> it's ludicrous
<1> and the things that actual slow apps down
<1> are network access and disk access.. whcih aren't any slower under java
<1> they're a hardware limitation
<3> java is a bloated piece of crap, and that's all i have to say about that
<1> CPU time is ludicrously cheap
<1> you can buy a 1U, 2 CPU dual core server for like 3k
<1> or you can pay an engineer for < 2 weeks with that money
<1> who cares if it's slow as long as it's fast to develop with
<3> that's the spirit
<1> it is if you're trying to make money
<1> and it's not really -that- much slower than C
<3> that is why the US is getting more and more behind other countries in technology development, especially asia
<3> we are all about cutting corners
<3> and not all about getting it the best it can be
<1> heh the tech development we're outsourcing? all java work
<3> we are, in a word, lazy
<1> dude why take the stairs when you can take the elevator
<0> C++ is headache
<1> yeah C++ is such a pain
<0> unfounded can you program in c++
<1> i wrote a couple things in undergrad
<1> and was like **** this
<0> you must do all from scratch
<1> there are uses for it
<1> if you're doing game development
<0> in game development it great
<1> or low-level network programming, OS development
<3> java is useless for anything where you need to know the turnaround time
<3> it does garbage collection at random intervals
<1> but for what corporations need programmed, they just want the program done as fast as possible
<3> and takes arbitrarily long to do anything
<0> hmm
<4> Java ****s a cock
<4> just so you all know
<1> null_ptr arbitrarily in this case == 10ms
<0> what about c#
<3> some of us already know
<1> it might be +/- 10-100ms
<3> 10ms is forever on a modern pc
<4> (that was the topic in #freebsd help for a while, and I ****ing agree)
<1> in terms of actual running time
<4> .NET Corporate Extreme Edition?
<1> null_ptr but it's a really short time for people
<4> Really Really Good We Promise This Time It'll Be Better
<3> unfounded we are not programming people
<1> who are using computers
<1> null_ptr we're programming for people
<4> think of C# as Java-lite
<3> maybe you are
<1> like ok games, low-level stuff do it in C, C++
<0> wtf is .NET Corporate Extreme Edition
<1> null_ptr i find it hard to believe you have a job with that purist attitude
<4> me making **** up
<4> but so do they, in my defense
<0> tweek so your a fan of C++]
<3> unfounded your loss
<0> theyd on't even teach c++ in my school, thhey went to java
<1> yeah
<0> you can take a cl*** in c++ but
<0> that different
<1> C++ is fine for some uses
<4> not exactly. I think C# (which essentially *is* .NET, as no one else uses the rest) has its uses
<1> not most
<4> it's a decent development-level language
<0> but for all undergrads they take cis 113 which is java
<1> tweek yeah if i was writing a desktop app for windows i would use C#
<4> if you have some UIish bullcrap you need to develop in a team, use C#
<1> unless it was super super super, super, super, super, super, super performance intensive
<1> to the point where i need that extra 5%
<4> ... uhm, no
<4> with high-level interpreters and **** you're not talking 5%
<3> umm, the diff between c++ and c# is NOT 5%
<0> what is ulish
<4> UI, as in, user interface
<4> something someone will actually use
<1> interpreted bytecode
<1> it's not that highlevel, it's slower than raw machine code sure
<4> it's still interpreted...
<1> but it's been compiled
<1> ok so even if you say it's twice as fast
<4> the lexical analysis is the real time-killer
<1> you still spend 90% of the app's time blocked on read/write actions
<1> so who cares
<3> you are making sweeping ***umptions
<4> the key to Python, Perl, C#, Ruby, Java, etc...
<4> faster development.
<4> safer development.
<1> yeah tweek
<1> exactly
<1> like waaaaaaaaaay faster except perl, perl ****s balls
<1> i have so much legacy perl code at my work
<4> better collaboration. (the language provides a hierarchy that makes this happen)
<1> i want to strangle these mother****ers who wrote this code
<1> and stuck me with maintaining it
<4> C has no or few safety catches
<1> yeah
<4> C++ explicitly disallows a few things but still has pointers
<4> in C# you have to mark off a section that uses pointers as unsafe
<1> and for most corporate apps the bottleneck is the database
<4> MS does this because they're ****s
<4> and buerocrats
<1> which should absolutely be written in C but i'm sure as hell not writing it
<4> but also, because pointer use really is unsafe, typically
<1> yeah tweek
<1> explicit pointers bring up stuff like pointer arithmetic, buffer overruns
<4> explicit? as opposed to implicit?
<4> or Javaesque 'references'?
<1> yeah java is still pointers
<1> yeah exactly
<4> pointer != reference
<4> in fact the two are so incredibly different...
<1> well we're just arguing semantics here, at some level they're both a number indicating a location in memory
<4> could be going through a number of tables though
<4> C++ has references too I'll add
<1> in C you can use the & and * symbols to get the actual number that's involved and increment it, etc
<4> int &c = x; // c can't be changed, and is implicitly always dereferencing x
<1> oh man i haven't used that stuff in so long
<4> it's like a pointer, but it's not
<0> yes no need to waste time on grabage
<4> man, **** you
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