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<0> he's an NWO/KKK loony
<1> You are going against the Germans own confessions.
<1> And the Nazi confessions.
<0> there isn't much difference between NWO and holocaust deniers
<1> YOu are going against one of the best documented events in World history
<0> wtc deniers
<0> same gang
<1> US, I want to reach these people and educate them
<1> If I can.
<2> FreeMrkts, good luck
<0> FT: sadly I don't think it's possible =)
<0> some folks are just ... "not there"
<3> the Armenian Genocide is still denied by Turkey, maybe you'd be better off with that than the holocaust
<4> If you beat on someone or crush their nads they confess so that is nothing but why did the Germans put numbers on the prisonerws arms?
<2> FreeMrkts, as you pointed out, it's a very well documented event. If that alone can't convince, nothing else will.
<1> Alton, YOu are going against the whole of the world, and allying yourself with a very tiny small group of maybe a million or few million holocaust deniars in the world
<1> A world of 8 Billion people.
<5> My baby caught the Katy, left me a muleee to ride
<5> Craaazy bout that hardheaded woman of mineee
<4> The Germans kept very good records so we should be able to see who died and when and how and how many but it is claimed that the record were destroyed--well documented according to whom,?
<1> Katey, the liberal thing to do as long as he is not harming anyone is to debate him, Not ban him. Not until he goes over the line and actually verbally diminishes someone on the channel.
<0> thing about the Germans was, they documented their atrocities very well
<1> And that is my policy
<0> Nazis that is
<1> Maybe if he hangs out here he will eventually be deprogrammed.
<2> FreeMrkts, oh, I don't care if you ban him or not. I'm just saying I think it's a waste of time to bother trying to fix him.
<0> not only is there direct physical evidence, but also a ton of Nazi-documented evidence
<1> a lot of people go through phases in their life where they believe in certain books or gurus who teach dishonest lies.
<2> Not to mention the testimony of the people who were there
<4> Janet b diminished me and said that she had several relatives dier in the camps--I asked where and she still hasn't answered. I had one relative die at Treblinka--Joseph Koch.
<1> Katey, Its never a waste of time to try to reform mankind. Until they commit the acts or are about to commit acts of violence or harm
<6> US_Male: yep, the Nazis kept detailed, comprehensive, and copious documentation of everything they did
<1> I am more liberal than you I guess in this respect.
<2> :)
<1> Even though I am more conservative in most respects.
<2> FreeMrkts, perhaps so.
<0> IamKing: yes which makes it much harder on the loony deniers
<4> free--if you were only told one version of events and it was wrong would you know it?
<0> there are people who would deny it's raining as the rain falls on their head
<1> JS Mill Wrote that if you drove people like Aldon underground that you would simply promote his world view and its spread, by denying his right to bring his beliefs no matter how sick into the light of day.
<2> FreeMrkts, I guess I have come to the conclusion that there are some people who simply choose to take a controversial position on something because it gets them a lot of attention, or they can get under people's skin.
<4> if so why and how?
<6> US_Male: it isn't so hard when one outright rejects reality and then redefines "is" as "is not"
<1> I prefer he stay above the radar than below it.
<7> Freetrade: the account as shown in Band of Brothers, where US soldiers would march the townsfolk into the camps, to bury the dead/rotting bodies.. was absolutely true.
<1> Alton, I am 50 years old almost
<0> it's like the kid in school who would deny things just because it amused him
<0> "It's Tuesday" "No it's not"
<0> "prove it"
<1> I have seen 100s of documentaries which include the holocaust or are on the holocaust.
<1> I have talked to 100 men who have seen it themselves.
<4> so?
<0> ahhh.
<1> I have talked to jews whose families died in the holocause.
<0> "so" is the key word
<7> US: typical DaiklyK0S usage ;-)
<0> heheheh
<7> "so?" "who cares?" etc
<1> A good friend of mine and a very conservative jewish guy in Berkeley lost all of his uncles and aunts and grandparents in the camps.
<4> Why no gas chambers at Aushwitz when the Russians liberatewd it and don't say there were because there was not.
<1> Hes about 60 or so
<1> I have read 100s of books about ww2 and the holocaust.
<8> Boobbarra.
<1> Where are your sources ?
<1> Where did you learn the lie that the holocaust never happened.
<1> who is your guru
<4> I'm 41 and I went through a period where I was taught crap but I learned to think there too--it was cvalled college
<8> FreeMrkts: I ***ume you are absolutely, 100% and completely convinced that indeed the holocaust did happen and it cost millions of innocent lives?
<7> FM: one aspect not often talked about.. was some allied soldiers took out retribution upon the german townsfolks, who denied culpability.
<1> who is your intellectual contrarian..
<1> ?
<0> let's track him down to his propgrammers and take out the whole nest
<1> Tell me who you follow
<7> armon: oh, so now the jews in the camps are not "innocent?"
<0> *programmers
<1> such beliefs as yours rarely come from your own investigation or witness, they come from a single person or a small organization
<8> Lupine: Uhm... how on EARTH did you manage to interpret my question that way?
<8> Lupine: Seriously, I'm interested.
<4> I learned it on the birdman.org and didn't beleive it so I started digging and it came up crap every time I tried to prove him wrong
<7> talk about a cop-out.. no innocent jews were g***ed.. as they were not innocent.. *rolls eyes*
<0> " I learned it on the birdman.org"
<2> hehe
<0> haha. HAH
<1> Armon, Answer my questions.
<2> birdman.org?
<7> birdman.org?? lol
<0> roffle !
<8> FreeMrkts: Oh, I didn't realize you were addressing me. :)
<9> katey my grandparents were in camps. something i always wondered was the evidence of gas chambers. the accounts are that certain jews were separated, told they were going to showers, and secretly g***ed. how would other jews know they were g***ed? you then are told that germans destroyed the gas chambers before other armies arrived at the camps, to hide evidence. im not denying it, i was always just wondering what exactly th
<4> I never said anything about innocent
<10> Would President Bush go to war to stop Tehran from getting the bomb? http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact
<10> intresting article
<8> <1> such beliefs as yours rarely come from your own investigation or witness, they come from a single person or a small organization
<0> I don't mean this as an insult, but he's probably mentally retarded
<0> tehre are such people in the world
<1> Alton, If I make a claim, I can easily create a conspiracy theory and you can dig up facts on the internet or alleged facts which support any position you have on any issue
<8> Is that to me? If so, I'd like to remind you that I didn't even hint at my own position and don't plan to until you give me yours. :)
<0> " I learned it on the birdman.org"
<0> there it is
<11> dude, id love to see bush take out tehran
<0> "learned"
<1> I have direct experience and knowlege of it from friend, well secondary knwolege,.
<8> As I have *not* read 100s of books on WW2 and the holocaust.
<1> From US Non Jewish soldiers.
<8> FreeMrkts: So that's a yes?
<8> You are 100% convinced?
<11> if there was ever a country that needed more of a backhand than anyone else around, its iran
<1> Aromon, I suggest you do read more than a few internet sites
<4> I said no gas chambers--the nazis did use jews for experiments and killed them routinely--I mean hell, they were freakin nazis afterall--evil as helll but I don't think there was a systematic genocide and there wasn't even a full rounding up of jews--almost forty percent were not rounded up but encouraged to go to palestinme
<1> in fact get the BBC documentary which the british hid for years which is one of the best documentaries on the holocause.
<8> FreeMrkts: It's a question, not a statement, I am not implying my own views: I repeat; I have *not* read that much up on it and THAT'S WHY I'm interested in your position.
<7> FM: it is a pity that those who witnessed the horror first hand.. are barely around anymore.. most of them are dead, the rest of them dying quickly
<7> alton: well, at least you are no longer saying the nazi's encouraged them tot go to isreal..
<8> FreeMrkts: I'll ***ume yes.
<0> 41 years old and needs to learn about WW2 ?
<0> don't we have compulsory education ?
<1> They hid it because britian was not happy with the jews at the end of the war because they were committing regular acts of terrorism against Israel (Not Jews, Israelis or palestinian jews to be more exact). But they have excellent archives of the holocaust documented
<1> go watch the films
<8> FreeMrkts: That is my understanding as well... I've read a few holocaust-denial arguments and they are not convincing, to say the least.
<1> rend then today at the rental store.
<1> Under documentaries.
<8> FreeMrkts: They're missing a conspiracy of tens of millions of people.
<1> Under the holocause
<8> So I'm pretty confident it happened, but of course I'm only 99.99% sure. :)
<1> you mut at least give the other side a chance to show you that you are wrong, if they dont convince you, fine, but you must explore all sides of this issue,
<1> I have.
<8> If you would have said "I'm a sceptic" I would have taken it further, you know, I was just asking. :)
<7> FreeMrkts.. can you revoice rusty?
<1> Almost everything I believe in I know the opposition argument as well as their proponents.
<8> Not saying that it didn't happen or that Jews weren't innocent or that I strangle small puppies.
<1> I know both sides of most debates.
<4> There was no Israel and yes the zionists and the nazis collaborated in trying to get them to leave Gernmany and go to Palestine.
<8> FreeMrkts: I try to keep it that way as well; hence my staying here, in fact.
<1> You have not even considered the side of the debate which proves the holocaust happened.
<1> Alton, There was an Israel after the war.
<0> somewhere along the line Alton stops and Armon begins ! The nicks are too close
<4> not until 48
<12> why try to deny the holocaust?
<1> But you are getting hooked up on semantics and fine points, without examinging the whole.
<1> Alton.
<7> US: oh jesus.. didn't even reocgnize that as two nicks..
<1> You have not examined those who have evidence which might change your mind. why ?
<7> US: i thought he was going bipolar or something
<0> Lupine: me neither ! I was saying WTF? he totally changed his position!
<1> Have you seen the British archival films of the liberation of death camps ?
<0> then I noticed it
<8> teabaggr: Either to revive some of Nazi ideology without the negative connotation (DENIAL remember, not justification), or to yet again claim that the Jews are hell-bent on world domination.
<1> And what is a death camp ? It is what they call the holocaust because of the 5 million -7 million killed
<4> my entire point is that they were work camps which explains the m***ive factories within them
<8> Either way is bull****.
<12> both are as extreme as the holocaust itself
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