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<0> Herzen, i'm just saying that the goverment should regulate, atleast at some level.
<1> i lived in it, i grew up in it, and ive seen the mindset on both sides of the issue
<2> that's an ***umption which may be true for some, but probably not for all
<0> Herzen, and that without regulation at all, things will be much worse
<0> much much worse
<3> alright so the cl*** that's lower then middle?
<4> Publius: Ok, you think they'll ever put a man on Jupiter?
<3> that's poverty?
<5> falcon10, i've had enough govenrment regulation for a lifetime thank you
<4> Alkaiser: yep
<5> government*
<3> my personal definition of poverty is not having means to any income, food, shelter, etc.
<4> Publius: Haven't they already put a man on Uranus?
<3> like people in nigeria or something
<3> whatever
<5> jhicks, do you think they will put a man on Mars?
<2> there's gonna be some regulation
<2> always
<5> Answer: Yes, he will be the Marine from the Doom series.
<4> Herzen: HAH
<2> unless you have anarchy, which makes the convo beyond reason or interest, so nm
<5> Timur-, I agree, but extreme regulation is undesirable
<5> Timur-, Both extremes are undesirable, you have to have a balance
<4> Timur-: Most of man's existence was under anarchy
<2> right
<0> Alkaiser, that website define poverty as someone who makes less than 9,645$ per year
<5> Timur-, the levels of that balance are what seperate liberalism from conservative
<5> conservatism*
<2> jhicks: right, and it ****ed ***, which is why man has opted for government
<1> i think we should get mars colonized and set it up as a muslim planet
<4> The need for govt is tied to population levels
<1> that would be kinda cool
<3> There will always be a lower cl*** in capitalism.
<5> MikeyD, well they do tend to be happy in the desert..
<2> and indivdual needs as well
<1> "no seriously man, you dont even need palenstein, you can have all of mars!"
<5> Alkaiser, thats okay
<5> Alkaiser, I think there will always be a lower cl***, peroid.
<4> Timur-: It only ****ed when humans started imitating the breeding habits of rats
<5> Just the nature of man
<3> There's a standard for what's rich and what's poor, and people want to be rich and look down at poor people.
<4> Timur-: If there weren't so many of you humans we wouldn't need so much govt
<0> Alkaiser, that, and it is also very hard to live off 9k per year
<6> falcon10: do you like the increased strikes on palestinians
<1> i dont want to look down on poor people
<3> Where do you get this 9k a year info?
<0> td-, like? no. think they needed, maybe.
<3> What site?
<1> i want poor people to quit taking **** theyre not entitled to and didnt work for and instead, strive to be something better
<5> The best welfare in the world
<3> poor people are poor because society did that to them.
<5> is a job
<2> jhicks: well, not gonna change anytime soon, barring huge worldwide disaster
<0> td-, they are the result of numerous rocket attacks on Israeli cities since the elections.
<7> From a historical perspective only jesus said 2000 years ago there will always be poor. Poor is not only a capitilistic society problen
<4> Timur-: Standing by.
<1> Herzen: amen
<4> Poor isn't so bad people.
<1> poor people are poor because they did it to themselves
<0> that's a load of bull****
<4> Poor isn't bad if you're healthy.
<1> no, its not
<4> If you're sick it's pretty awful.
<7> If you were a bad or lazy hunter during caveman times you were in essence poor
<2> often, it is.
<1> rond: good example
<0> it's a pyramid
<0> and the base is always wider than the top
<5> rond, in every society there is rich and poor, even in the USSR we had poor and rich, the m***es and the politburo, the fact of the matter is the USSR had an extreme divide between rich and poor, something communists say capitalism will always lead to, ironically enough
<3> Where as the hard working man who was born into a middle cl*** Anglo-Saxon descent Protestant family who could easily afford to go to college and buy his education and get a 30 dollar an hour job is hard working.
<2> I know of a lot of poor people who are desperately trying to find work, and who have good ethics and work sense and ability
<0> Timur-, i know a lot of people working their *** off in agriculture
<4> Timur-: They should leave NYC!
<0> and earn min. wage
<2> jhicks: it has nothing to do with NYC
<2> I mean nationally
<1> my rate are 60-150 dollars an hour and i have no education what so ever
<2> and internationally as well
<4> NYC will make anyone poor
<1> rates
<1> thats complete bull****
<1> people are poor because they allow themselves to be poor
<2> jhicks: eh, my sister and brother in law live in NYC and are doing fine.
<5> Raising minimum wage doesn't really help the poor
<3> many people are poor because they can't help it.
<4> Timur-: Lawyers?
<2> Mikey: in some cases; not all.
<0> MikeyD, so you are lucky/smart/whatever
<5> as it just drives inflation and the people making minimum wage end up in the same position as they were before
<5> if not worse
<2> jhicks: journalism and finance, respectively
<0> MikeyD, just because you got a good job, doesn't mean _anyone_ can
<8> Every morning when I wake up, I read the Bible and the Newspaper... Because I want to know what both sides are up to
<1> this is the land of opportunity, and if people dont take advantage of such, then they did it to themselves
<2> nice oversimplificaiton
<1> dude, i MADE my own job when i was laid off
<5> if you don't want to be poor, work hard, get an education, be a stellar man, and you won't be poor in our society
<4> Timur-: Ok, they're exceptional
<7> Raising min wage just makes my hamburgers more expensive....the same ****ty attitude people server them
<1> im not lucky, as theres no such thing as luck
<1> and i made myself smart, the government didnt do it for me
<2> jhicks: there are many such exceptional people in NY; that's part of its magic.
<8> min. wage should be $26 an hour
<0> rond, fast food is not the only place where people get min. wages
<1> im a 9th grade drop out
<5> opportunity is everywhere, you just have to know how to look for it
<4> Timur-: I know, I've been there :)
<0> rond, someone builds your roads, grow your food
<4> Timur-: I spent a LOTTA money
<1> and it was hard, i sturggled, ive been well off and poor
<0> build your houses
<3> Want to know what'll fix the poverty and unemployment in this country? Deporting all the illegal immigrants back to their country will create a lot of open jobs.
<9> I'm not gay, but that **** Cheney is one ***y son of a bitch
<7> I don't mind min wage bieng raised to 26 per hour as long as I get the same addition to my wage
<1> but its MY deicisions that made both me being poor and having money possible
<4> pinkopota: you are too gay
<8> falcon, i'm in the const. business...you can't hire street grunts for less than $12 an hr
<5> rond, lol and inflation rises so its not really a raise at all
<5> maybe for afew months
<7> Herz yep
<0> yowz||, and how much is $12 an hour?
<3> Want to know what'll fix the poverty and unemployment in this country? Deporting all the illegal immigrants back to their country which will create a lot of new jobs.
<9> jhicks, why do you say that?
<1> and i didnt do anything special, im tpyical of the process
<8> about double the min. wage falcon
<0> i mean, compared to the average salary
<4> pinkopota: look at that frilly nick!
<9> frilly?
<8> falcon, should everybody get the same wage?
<4> FRILLY
<0> what is the average salary in the US, by the way?
<0> yowz||, they shouldn't
<1> its called personal responsibility and if more people had it, most of our problems in this country wouldnt exist
<4> pinkopota: face it flamer
<9> my old nick was pinkopotamus, it doesn't work here
<4> suuuuure
<0> but the question is if 12$ can give someone a minimal existence
<4> even that is frilly
<7> If more people had a strong sense of personal responsability my competition would be tougher to beat
<9> pink happens to be the color of my favorite food...
<7> I like it just the way it is
<4> riiiiight
<0> food, shelter, medicine
<4> AND the color of your tutu
<8> falcon, apparently it must be, you don't hear of many people starving to death
<9> jhicks, of course you wouldn't know about eating anything pink now would you
<4> hmm
<4> Ok, you win.
<9> jhicks, I am sure that someone who jumps to conclusions and acts rudely cannot get laid too often
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