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<0> Armon: Well, you know at least lies beneath - the danger is not losing the war in Iraq, it's losing the very ideals upon which the American republic and constitution was founded...
<1> Lupine: I was trying to explain that to him in a language he understands. ;)
<1> Lupine: Well, so let's debunk the poor ****er.
<2> canadians have flushed eskimos heads in toilets
<1> AC130x: Let them handle that. That's their thing.
<2> so whats the differnce?
<1> AC130x: I only care about US foreign policy, don't give a damn about their internal matters. :)
<2> my god
<1> That's their business.
<2> Kurt ****ING Busch won the stupid ****ing Busch car race today
<1> Their foreign policy is however our business as well.
<2> nice huh
<2> wearing chrome wrap arounds
<0> Armon: Their business will rip their nation in half, or corrupt it beyond recognition
<2> thats stupid
<2> Busch ****s
<3> Armon: anyways, I knew a man who was brutally tortured by the japanese.. somehow, I do not think he'll agree what the US is doing in gitmo is even remotely comparable
<1> AC130x: Also, these gentlemen honestly probably know more about American civil liberties than you do, so I'd stick to things you can back up. With all due respect.
<1> Lupine: Oh, of course not.
<1> Lupine: It's not AS terrible.
<4> lupine : according to the geneva conventions, which are ratified by the US and incorporated into military handbooks...
<4> flushing the quran is torture
<1> Lupine: But terrible nontheless, and everyone should agree on doing anything within reason to stop it.
<4> not that i necessarily even agree
<1> Lupine: But opposing a ban on some torture methods no the grounds that "they work so well", is just an insult to the entire discussion of human rights.
<3> unfounded: correction.. it is a bull**** story made up by newsweek for ratings and further their own political ideology
<2> Armon, do you play chess?
<4> but let's straighten out the laws here so we know what's torture or not
<0> Armon: What do they know? They are busy destroying civil liberties and democratic rights, not building or protecting them - they know nothing, but the lust for power
<2> =)
<1> `426-Hemi: No, always wanted to start, never get around to it. :)
<4> lupine yeah buddy everyone's persecuting you, how many branches of gov't your party control again?
<2> i will teach you if you want sometime
<2> you have to build your own strategy
<4> i do remember something about the quran story coming up as being possibly false
<1> AC130x: A few years I probably would have agreed with you... but after I've had the privilege of getting to know what civil liberties are like in most European countries... I think differently.
<3> AC130: explain your impotence in denouncing the abolition of the right to self defense, of family, of self and of fellow citizens?
<2> Armon, your 6 year old can kick my *** in ches
<4> at any rate it's certainly not effective
<4> like the guy's gonna tell you more now that you flushed the quran down the toilet?
<2> Armon i like moving the pieces hahahhaa=)))
<1> AC130x: Yes, they pride themselves way to much, and yes they take it for granted... but come on, blasphemy is illegal widely in Europe, so is dismissing the holocaust...
<1> ...and so on and so on.
<0> Btw, the US run prison in Cuba is only one such facility that engages in torture - there are others, and there is murder also
<1> In America you can't say "****" on TV, and that's stupid, but it's not as bad as most places else.
<2> Americans should be proud
<3> unfounded: what really happened is that a muslim prisoner did it himself, then claimed it was done by a US soldier.. who wasn't even on base at the time.
<1> Now, their FOREIGN POLICY, however... I'm probably on your side in that area. :)
<3> ac130: yea, real torture
<4> lupine ok
<4> lupine that's totally beleivable
<1> Anywho, I've gotta go get drunk.
<1> Ta ta!
<2> they have sacrificed their blood and lives and dollars to ensure a free man kind
<4> lupine the press gets stuff wrong sometimes
<3> REAL torture is having to drink canuck beer
<4> haha
<2> hahah Lupine
<2> Canadian Budweiser
<5> War educates the senses, calls into action the will, perfects the physical constitution, brings men into such swift and close collision in critical moments that man measures man.
<2> and they don't even have nascar
<3> REAL torture is having to wait six months for a MRI
<2> =((
<2> there is nascar in Mexico
<2> but not in canada
<3> but hey, don't believe me. believe a prisoner of gitmo
<4> yeah herzen war is just dandy
<4> that's a horrible thing to say
<3> Asadullah strives to make his point, switching to English lest there be any mistaking him. "I am lucky I went there, and now I miss it. Cuba was great," said the 14-year-old, knotting his brow in the effort to make sure he is understood.
<4> war is necessary sometimes
<3> war is necessary diplomacy by other means
<4> but this conservative glee for war is sickening
<2> war is necessary, and should be waged mercilessly
<3> He spent a typical day watching movies, going to cl*** and playing football. He was fascinated to learn about the solar system, and now enjoys reciting the names of the planets, starting with Earth. Less diverting were the twice-monthly interrogations about his knowledge of al-Qaida and the Taliban.
<2> Ulysses S Grant
<5> unfounded, Take it up with Emerson son.
<3> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1163436,00.html
<0> It's not gonna be hard to see the future - at least half of America hates Bush p***ionately, and his supporters as well. Every new act of war, or violation of human rights, or the constitition, if another reason for them to disregard their fellow citizens as national brothers
<4> herzen i would, he's dead
<3> Gitmo prisoner, you know who was "tortured"? The food in the camp was delicious, the teaching was excellent, and his warders were kind. "Americans are good people, they were always friendly, I don't have anything against them," he said. "If my father didn't need me, I would want to live in America."
<4> at any rate emerson wasn't discussing politics
<4> so much as doing some beautiful writing... i'd suggest that writing not be used as a guide to how great war really is
<5> War is fine
<5> Its just not a game to be played with Children involved
<5> or women
<5> or non-combatants in general
<0> Lupine: Yah for you - the right to bear arms - too bad you don't have a mind of your own
<3> No, my mind knows that without the 2nd, all the rest are at th whims of the govn't.
<3> but you have no problem with YOUR govn't totally banning fundemental human rights
<3> you just want to spit in your face and jack off about how evil bush is. nothing else
<6> AC130x one of the greatest and beloved presidents, Lincoln, was hated by many when he was alive and is still hated by some, especially the South. Being liked or disliked is hardly a qualification for greatness or obscurity
<0> Lupine: You don't do anything of value - brandishing a pistol is action?
<3> saving the life and liberty of another citizen has no value? nice.
<3> no wonder why your standards of liberty are whored out
<3> you see nothing worth actually standing up for, and doing something
<3> now for me.. i'm going back into my hometheatre and tweek it some more
<0> byLL: Sorry buddy - this is the modern era, and the US Republic is on it's way out. Why? Cause the average citizen has become a mindless drone - and they don't understand what their government is doing.
<2> heheh Lupine my hunting game is just getting good
<2> 44 mag with clay targets
<6> AC130x people have never really gotten involved in the republic as you put it
<6> nothing new
<0> byLL: The War in Iraq is a symptom of that ignorance - pre-emptive aggression, and subsequent occupation and oppression. However, each to their own - let America become a dictatorship, if it's citizens so wish
<2> Lupine, hehehe i went through like 10 hunts with a recurve and 3 with a compound
<2> just to get here=)
<6> AC130x`that is your opinion. Others hold differing and eve counter-opinions to your view
<2> my home theater consists of a surround sound 37 inch TV or something
<2> in the corner
<2> pulled out from the wall just enough to get the "echo"
<2> heheh i have a old school chest it sits on
<0> byLL: Yes, but the difference is that I get to watch the demise of their constitutional rights and freedoms, where as they can only counter my opinions with words. Actions matter
<2> thats my "cabinet"
<7> GEEZUS http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060407/photos_od_afp/16cb250292f67925f8d748ea9a1e0094;_ylt=ApC9DjJhC6A31S77nb.tsA.hOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-
<7> that is one MONSTROUS rabbit
<2> when i want it vibrates the floor
<2> Gods
<2> thats GOTTA be fake
<7> heh
<7> it;s REAL!
<2> thats like one of those monstrous cat pics
<7> attack of the mutant RABBIT!
<2> but its a farmer in the background
<7> arrrghhh
<2> "farmers never lie"
<2> German rabbit breeder Karl Szmolinsky presents his giant male breeding rabbit 'Robert' in Eberswalde, eastern Germany, February 2006.
<7> heh
<2> its STILL alive!
<2> my god thats HUGE!!!
<7> its terrifying
<7> haha
<7> i can't stop staring at it
<0> `426: Btw, shouldn't you be serving your country & government in Iraq, rather than wasting time on IRC?
<2> my wife is like "Ohhh wow he's cute!"
<2> hahahhaha
<7> women get turned on by various animals they did a study on this
<2> my god thats a big rabbit
<7> wow they've hired armed guards to protect their vegetable gardens
<2> i dunno Gods it looks fake
<2> the rabbit looks like 50 lbs
<7> heres the article http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060407/od_afp/afplifestylebritainfoodrabbitoffbeat_060407152117;_ylt=AsWHRT6ElBr3uU9Gd1J1teAFO7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGVna3NhBHNlYwNzc3JlbA--
<2> the guy is holding him out there like its 20
<0> byLL: Btw, welcome bck
<2> you couldn't take a rabbit that big and just hold him out there simple like that
<7> maybe its tranquilized?
<2> the guy isnt built like Arnold
<2> nah
<2> its a fake
<2> its gotta be
<7> heh "Bigs Bunny"
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