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<0> true
<0> i agree
<0> i think that was actually proven recently
<1> being president isnt exactly the easiest thing in the world
<0> in some medical journal
<0> id imagine there isnt a more stressful job
<2> i am the first to admit i couldn't do it, I probably would eat a slug under all that constant world wide pressure.
<3> be honest bush - we should expect the secratiarn violence to increase
<0> shut it emil
<0> its a good day
<0> by any standard
<3> this is not turning of the tide - any more than than a year ago when the insurgents where in the final throw
<2> well maybe not his groups standards heh
<0> lol
<0> touche
<4> did you hear about Zarkawi death?
<3> listen to bush now
<5> Bush Rocks!
<3> this is 'a turning of the tide'
<0> one thing is for sure
<0> sounds like its a bad day for emil too
<3> nope........i'm happy for a small step
<3> shhh
<6> the US military finally managed to bomb some guy who can't shoot a rifle and wears new balance tennis shoes? amazing, what an accomplishment
<2> You know in all honesty of course there will be more problems in Iraq, but **** you wouldn't expect the president to saw "oh well, no change".
<7> I wonder if anyone gets the 25 mil for Zarqawi
<2> It would be a huge WTF moment.
<1> i will say this: its a START. there is still a long way to go, but this is a good step in the right direction
<3> of course not - it was a vicotry for the us
<0> emil^^, when they get bin laden, you will be in here saying the same thing
<0> won't you
<3> fordnut? you missed the last hour of what i've been saying
<0> i guess i did
<1> fordnut: thats true to a point. just because you get the leader doesnt mean everything is over. theres still all the little workers to squash
<0> oh i agree
<8> ford: "who's they?"
<3> fordnut - it's better than yesterday - but i do think making a martyr of someone doesn't mean a whole of a lot
<8> meow....
<6> if the president were killed, would that be the end of America? no.
<7> Most little workers do not work well without a leader
<0> emil^^: name a famous al qaeda 'martyr'
<7> that is true for mcdonalds and terrorist
<9> noone really ever said it was going to be over
<3> al-zarqawi
<9> im sure someone will step up in is place
<9> however, its great to kill a persistant enemy
<3> fordnut - just saying killing a leader here and there - doesnt' meant the insurgecny will end
<9> it boosts morale for sure
<0> emil^^: aside from today's news, you cant name one
<0> they disappear
<9> not to mention, its good pr
<0> so will zarqawi
<3> fortnut - well there were teh deck of cards ehh?
<1> exactly, emil^^. someone will step up
<0> im not saying this will end the violence at all
<5> everyone knows the insurgency is fueled largley by Iran , Syria , Saudi arabia , it's not over until those countrys seek peace
<0> emil^^: name one outside hussein and his two idgit children
<9> and im all for more people wanting his spot
<9> gives us more enemies of the state to kill
<0> this is a big win, symbolically and psychologically
<3> fortnut - dont miss the point - i'm not disagreeing with you - but how am i to know these people? i could research the deck of cards and who has yet to be captured
<0> it remains to be seen how it effects, if it effects, the violence
<8> Aww...you ****in eat at McDonalds....stop lying
<2> For sake of arguement, GL*** PARKING LOT!!!
<2> That needed to be said.
<0> heh
<5> ol
<5> lol
<0> there is other big news today, they filled the two cabinet spots as well
<0> interior and defense
<1> heres a best case scenario: we get bin laden. that leaves al qaeda leadership in shambles. with any luck, whatever is left of the group will tear itself apart squabbling amongst themselves about which direction to take after that
<3> i dont thin the sunni's will stop hating and wanting to kill the shi'ia now
<0> emil^^: i dont think anyone is saying this will end the violcne
<0> violence
<8> You know you can't resist it...especially if you travel. You don't care what is in it...you're a republican
<0> ?
<3> fordnut - to clear up any misconception again i say - this is a step in teh right direction for our current plan
<8> <--- that was evil
<0> ok
<0> good:)
<1> a good step? yes. a complete solving? no.
<0> agreed
<3> i'm sorry if you took me wrong fordnut - i just dont think this is something that is as major as cnn/bbc/abc/nbc/etc... are leading us to belive
<0> it is major news
<0> aside from bin laden, there isnt a bigger terrorist in the world
<3> it's big news - but strategically - this needs to be taken in stride
<0> strategically isnt the only metric to look at
<0> symbolically and psychologically is equally important
<1> it is major news, yes. but it isnt the one domino that is going to make the rest of the group fall
<0> especially on the homefront
<3> symbolically yes i agree - this is big
<0> this will change momentum in this country
<5> i think the most positive thing to come from al-Zarqawi being killed is watching the anti-war crowd yelling "Yeah Team!"
<10> I think that's where it is more important as well, fordnut
<3> in our country yes it will confirm
<0> nod
<10> fordnut, whether or not that impact will have lasting value will have to be determined down the road
<1> holy ****.. its almost 8am. i need to go to sleep
<0> Katey: agreed
<1> but i cant leave these chats
<11> Katey: it's a temporarily good thing, but the motivations behind terror/insurgency aren't greatly reduced, hence I don't expect much of a reduction
<10> If his death were to demoralize the movement in Iraq and weaken in considerably, leading to substantial improvement in security there...that's good for everyone.
<11> at least not past the short term
<10> But I think it's difficult to make that leap right now
<10> Timur-, I tend to agree with you
<10> These guys seem more like thugs than a structured organization.
<3> timur - i agree as well
<10> Tomorrow another will take his place
<11> right, much like the Palestinian thug/terrorist militias
<1> with any luck zarqawi's death will leave the iraqi insurgents running around like a chicken with its head cut off
<11> or those in Lebanon
<3> steves - if only they were that disorganized :(((
<10> steveO, I doubt it.
<10> these guys are already not expecting to live to an old age. :)
<11> dispensing largesse on occasion to things like schools and hospitals, sporadically, but spending the bulk of their efforts on terror, intimidation, and brutal killings
<10> His followers will ***ume he went out like a hero
<1> but even when a group is in that kind of disorder, thay can still be a formidible opponent
<3> past expericne proves they are very organized - at least organized enought to kill what? almost 2K amierans soldiers already?
<11> well, anyone following him is kinda already beyond redemption
<10> SteveS-, in some ways, their disorder is what makes them a very difficult opponent
<3> we are better i knwo it......but still
<1> Katey: exactly. its disorder that one cant plan for
<10> emil^^, eh...that required the organization of what....20 people?
<1> if you dont know what your opponent is gonna do next, its hard to defend against that
<3> katey - i really dont know - how many people were involved to kill our 2k troops
<10> SteveS-, and a lack of traditional structure that you can count on. i.e. kill the leadership, kill the morale and momentum of their followers
<10> emil^^,dunno. But they don't appear to be operating in a traditionally organized military structure
<1> like i said before
<3> but again i dont want to dimish this was a us victory....just it's not the end-all
<1> just because you get the leader doesnt mean everything is over. theres still all the little workers to squash
<7> Who said it was over ?
<1> nobody did
<3> no one so far rond
<1> i dont think i said it
<3> the us has been very careful to make that distinction that it's not
<7> Seems to be a big part of the debate here >>
<7> ??
<10> er...no
<10> not really a big debate actually
<1> weve all been getting along pretty well
<8> What about the next election? Hillary should be vice to someone who *will* win...but is also willing to die. Then, he kills his white, rich self and badda boom badda bing....we finally got a female pres.!
<7> didn't say you weren't
<10> The significance of Zarqawi's demise is basically the discussion
<10> the significance and impact, I should say
<9> or the impact of the bomb that made him dirtnap
<9> =)
<1> :P
<3> oil prices have already dropped
<3> so the markets look up on this favorabally
<1> mise
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