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<0> kosmosm, Do Muslims make fun of Jews?
<1> I Undertand anger and even protests, but threats of violence are unacceptable.
<1> Tailor, No
<1> They dont.
<1> Some do.
<2> tailor, that doesnt hav anything to do with the dannish bastards who make fun of Muhammed, but not Jesus saying "its too offensive"
<1> There is no monolithic block of people involved here.
<0> FT, some of the most offensive **** I've ever experianced are the cartoons against Jews drawn by Muslims.
<1> For the 1% on the street protesting and calling for violence where are the other 99% >
<0> FT, and they do it every day
<1> Tailor, No doubt.
<0> FT, not a word is hardly mentioned
<2> Tailor, muslims cant make good cartoons
<2> they are opressed and stupid
<1> My only exception to your comment is "the muslims" instead of "Some Muslims"
<0> kosmosm, you don't know what they can or cannot do
<2> i know muslims well
<2> they are so opressed right now
<2> its not even true
<0> kosmosm, obviosly that isn't true.
<1> There are muslims all over the world who are not even reacting to this too.
<2> yeh
<2> FT is right
<1> The problem is when you have a billion people even 1% is a huge number.
<2> you only see the millions of people in poor countries that have nothing else to do
<0> FT, they react, they just do it civilly
<1> And the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
<1> in other words the most outragous get all the press.
<2> FT is thinking right
<2> listen to him
<1> No we have no idea what muslims in the world are doing who are not protesting we can not guess at their reaction. some are probably scared of he militant wacko muslim fanatics.
<3> it's not the ****ing cartoons, it's the muslims. They're a bunch of childish, violent, psychotic, backward, illiterate, disgusting, pathetic savages who want to riot, set things on fire, and kill everyone in the world, including themselves.
<0> FT, but it's high time the average Muslims take steps to get rid of the ***holes, by not acting they look as if they condone their actions.
<1> Well, The Tailor is a good friend I am not attcking him, I am just reminding people about how easy the temptation is to blame a whole group of people instead of singling out the individuals responsible.
<2> yeh Command. thats one side only that is expressed very well.
<0> BlueJeans, you are kidding right? :-)
<0> FT, and I need that reminder from time to time, so thanks :-)
<1> Tailor, I am an American. I am not responsible for Michael Moores idiocy or Jessie Jacksons or Julian Bonds, or John Kerrys or their wacko far left followers who have in the past been violent in the usa. But I do expect my police force to make arrests when violence breaks out.
<1> Thought traditionally even in American riots, of the 51 murders in LA during the king riots how many were prosecuted ? Any ?
<1> Crowds that big are hard to control.
<0> FT, that's another issue I have with the Islamic world, where are their police in arresting the ***holes out there, I never see that happening.
<0> I mean, these people are criminals
<1> Where were are police when protests turned violent and into riots in LA. It took the military to put them down.
<0> Murderers
<4> are there even police? lol
<3> I'm sorry, but the only way to stop violent rioters is to shoot to kill. You don't stand there saying "I'm sorry, please stop! We'll try to be nicer!"
<0> Hell, who knows
<4> i remember when I was in cyprus & turkey it didn't seem like there was any police. I know there are, but you NEVER saw them. Only military.
<1> Shoot to kill. You did that in America and the revolt would topple the government.
<1> And we have a very stable government.
<1> But there has been times in history where people have strained the government in m*** protests, especially around the depression.
<5> Most riots (not all, but most) are related to extreme poverty and disenfranchisement. It is a desperate voice for the voiceless.
<1> Then again. Small events like Waco really pisses people like me off.
<1> Imagine that on a grand scale.
<1> There are experts who are trained to put down riots, I suppose it depends on the culture but in America the National guard has worked the best in the past.
<1> Kent State notwithstanding.
<4> bluejeans: I was once told by a conservative in this channel that there is no poverty in america
<4> lalala
<1> The Guard shows up at the King riots, The riots end.
<1> Though I wouldnt want to be a target in an intersection in LA.
<5> suna, have you ever helped feed the homeless or deliver food to the needy in the USA? (This is an honest question)
<1> Maximum force, but not lethal force. non lethal weapons work and most the world uses them.
<4> generally I ignore the homeless cause they get enough food;)
<6> BlueJeans: The Paris riots were coordinated by people on cell phones, which is how they avoided the cops. So much for being "poor and disenfranchised".
<4> there isn't a shortage of food in this country, doesn't mean there isn't poverty
<6> The Cronulla riot was similarly organized.
<5> Pickle, I said "most", I know there are several counter-examples.
<6> These are no longer riots over poverty, they're race riots.
<1> I believe these riots were instigated and planned.
<1> In fact there is little doubt of it.
<1> A Danish Palestinian started the whole row.
<5> suna, I've helped the needy. I've seen the poverty. Conservatives who do not see poverty in the USA are intentionally blind.
<4> You'll find most of the time in discussions about race or politics that people never understand the meaning of the word "most"
<4> or "many"
<6> FreeTrade: There's no doubt. We know that both riots were organized and in the case of Paris coordinated by cell phone.
<1> BlueJeans, Ive lived next door to the people you have seen.
<4> you imply even "some" and they respond to you as if you said 'all"
<4> every single ****ing time
<4> bugs the hell out of me
<4> anti-stereotype people basically do this as a hobby
<4> "man my friend has HUGE lips"
<4> "is he black?"
<4> "yah"
<4> "YOU RACIST! NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE HAVE HUGE LIPS!"
<4> "wtf i didn't say that"
<4> ;/
<1> I have seen them rip off the system. Sell Guns which were stolen, Forge lottery tickets for $20 win and they sell them to a ****er in a bar for $10.00 I have seen them murder each other getting blood on my property..
<5> FreeTrade, the King riots worked. Afterwards, the City of LA looked into the causes, and into the South Central neighborhoods. What they found was poverty and a city that was not responsive to it's needs. They didn't even have sufficient bus lines for people to get to jobs.
<1> There are the poor.. A small small minority, and there are the con artists and criminals. a large majority
<1> Blue Jeans they didnt work.
<6> The civil rights riots are not comparable to what's going on at the moment.
<7> BlueJeans: Yes, poverty makes people into animals.
<1> It involved m*** theft by Blacks and Hispanic opportunists, and probably some minority of whites and Asians.
<8> no, people are already animals
<4> poverty creates people with nothing to lose
<5> Freetrade, The Disney Co, after the King riots, started a program of shuttle busses into South Central so they could tap into available labor in this area. Thats's what this area needed: some attention to their needs. The riots achieved it.
<4> people with nothing to lose are ntohing to play around with
<4> ;p
<7> You know, not having a Prada bag makes me into a barbarian, actually.
<8> hah
<6> These riots going on now are the opening salvos of a clash of civilizations.
<6> Nobody is hungry, they're just angry.
<9> "I am not a crook."
<1> It made people who were already prejudiced towards minorities it reinforced that side of the equation, I heard a congreswoman justify a riot which killed 51 people and The worst part about it ? It had nothing to do with Rodney King.
<4> especially in an area where county jail is almost better than living on the streets. Key to your room, decent food, phones when you want it as long as someone will collect your call, lots of free time, private showers.....
<7> Until I actually upgrade my cheesy Adcom amp to dual mono-block Krells I'll be a savage.
<1> Rodney King was just a Match which set off a fire waiting to burn.
<10> WooWoo!
<9> Riot=New TV
<4> American Idol = New TV
<4> ;p
<1> So now they have cracked down much harder and put more blacks in prison for life (Is that a good result?)
<11> BlueJeans, if you think the means to better transportation is beating an innocent man's head in with a brick, I feel sorry for you. No, the riots didn't work, there isn't any increase in business in the local area there since the riots.
<9> riot=New TV to watch American Idol
<5> FreeTrade, that is typical. Look what the offhanded comment "Let them eat cake" started!
<12> poverty? You think Americans have poverty? We're giving away 700 BILLION $$ from the 2007 budget towards entitlements and poverty. Everything from Medicare prescription health care and medicine, to 700$ social security checks, to $1000 Section 8 housing voucher, to food stamps, to energy ***istance, to WIC for babies, etc etc etc. America's poor are rich bastards in most other nations
<1> Yes you can always find something good to be done from almost every tragedy but that doesnt excuse the tragedy or in this case the violence.
<4> ;p
<1> I carried a ****ign gun in my back pocket for 2 weeks after the riots.
<1> I was scared of every group of blacks kids coming toward me.
<7> Yes. Poverty makes people into animals.
<5> TheTailor, I didn't say that at all. Nor would I advocate a riot. I'm just saying that South Central needed a lot of attention to its needs, and because of the riot they got it.
<4> red_barch: A hamster is small, and several thousand times the size of an ant. Get over it.
<1> I had one hand in my back pocket and one ready to run.
<10> guestpoli be careful with rapid joins or the bots will kick in
<4> poverty exists here whether or not it is worse in other nations
<13> k
<1> There was nothing good about the King riots other than demonstrating the lawlessness in the welfare culture.
<1> See its not blacks or whites.
<7> suna: What is "poverty," exactly?
<4> you can just keep going down the poll
<13> how long between test
<1> Its the welfare culture which has ruined blacks and whites..
<5> Red_Barch, if you include Social Security, which is a mandatory insurance progam for everyone, in your "entitlement" numbers, you distort you point.
<8> poverty is when you have to drive LAST YEAR's BMW because you're upside down on your trade-in
<12> suna: wtf does that have to do with anything? lol. President Bush has given more money to poor blacks than any other President in history, but he "hates" blacks right?
<6> The King riots were instigated by evil, self-serving black politicians.
<4> poverty
<1> Its the free food and the comp***ion that people give them which reinforce them to do nothing.
<4> 1. The state of being poor; lack of the means of providing material needs or comforts.
<4> 2. Deficiency in amount; scantiness: the poverty of feeling that reduced her soul (Scott Turow).
<4> 3. Unproductiveness; infertility: the poverty of the soil.
<4> 4. Renunciation made by a member of a religious order of the right to own property.
<6> Like Jesse Jackson.
<4> if you don't think #1 exists in america, you're blind
<4> whether or not it is worse in other countries is irrelivant
<4> it still exists here
<7> suna: Ah. A "lack of means."
<9> and what is up with these Political Funerals?
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