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<0> Oc: I heard the politics on those are annoying, or can be
<1> America tries to play rural
<1> it never gets away with it
<2> Timur: I played it straight ... concerned citizen trying to make education as effective as possible
<1> it only shows what rural is
<1> thats how stupid we are here in the States
<0> Oc: cool.. but your erstwhile colleagues?
<1> the grand old State of Arkansas is the entire world
<1> laff
<2> Timur: oh, they played it as straight as they could ... rubberstamp the Supe
<0> Oc: so as to not have to be bothered with challenge/analysis?
<2> but my previous bias against organized sports took a serious turn for the worse during three years of cutting academic programs and glorifying football
<2> TImur: amen
<1> hey iran is the opposite team...not a fellow citizen
<1> k thx
<1> get over urserlves
<0> Oc: do you agree with me that the excessive focus on sports in our country is a distraction from a proper sense of valuing intellectual pursuits?
<0> I had a big argument with a teacher about athletic scholarships, she's barely on speaking terms w/me now. :)
<2> Timur: yes, but I'm not sure what to do about it ... people are free to be as idiotic as they like
<2> Timur: what I object to is that the sporting mentality has captured the opposition through the public "education" "system"
<0> Oc: well, hold to one's position, lead by example
<0> Oc: not for me
<0> and for a # of other teachers I know
<1> OcDoc be as free as you want...but be free under the terms of bloodshed on the free constitution
<2> the minority who would like to downplay sports is an automatic loser
<1> i smell idiocy
<1> with free speech and free rights
<2> Timur: well, that was what I finally resigned from the board over
<2> I was elected for a three year term, some quirk in the election law extended my term for nine months and some idiotic decision forced me to resign in protest
<1> thats cuz its idiocy in the free world
<2> Timur: a friend of mine's son was on the debate team, but Texas requires you to p*** physical education
<1> thank God new democracy knows better
<0> Oc: I think I would've been in the same position as you, because I can't stand such a skewed and misplaced overemphasis
<2> so he took some phys ed course and one day it conflicted with a debate event
<2> so he missed a canoe skills test to attend a debate with his team ... Texas also has a rule that you have to be p***ing all your courses to remain on a "team"
<0> ok..
<0> how stupid.
<1> hey now...call it stupid when u hava set
<2> now everyone knows that that rule was to make sure that the football jocks kept p***ing their academic courses or they would have to leave football
<1> spineless is a liberal point of view these days
<1> best u can do is hillary
<1> at least let a pope molest children
<1> now that was funny
<2> so when this kid failed phys ed they told him he couldn't attend the state final debates with his team
<3> phys ed instructors are remarkably unsupervised and uncertified, imo
<3> they have little fiefs
<2> gloriae: so the kid's dad appealed to the school board and I took up the appeal
<1> debate some bush and **** sack all over the middle east
<2> they also have a rule that the board members are only allowed to discuss board business in public, which is probably a good idea, but in reality they have little private convos with each other all the time
<1> much better than keepn balls on the oval office copper with secretary under the desk
<2> I couldn't get a single one of them to discuss the issue with me so I couldn't count noses
<3> they're probably intimidated by the phys ed racket too
<0> Oc: and one sees the effects of sports > academics in daily life in the adult world, incl. in business
<2> so I wrote up my letter of resignation before the meeting and when I lost the expected vote with not a single other board member on my side, I resigned in anger
<1> the olympics is coming up
<1> china, russia, and iran are not involved
<2> Timur: they could spend millions of dollars on the stadium but had to haggle endlessly over academic courses
<3> at my daughter's former high school, all important events are held in the gymnasium, dominated by huge blowups of photos of previous school wrestling champs
<1> they are too busy doing business
<3> not one academic hero in sight
<0> Oc: right.. idiotic.
<1> 900 billion dollar oil deals
<3> she left that school early, with parental support, in the face of school threats of no diploma
<1> idiotic
<1> ?
<1> between russia and iran
<0> American anti-intellectualism at its worst. Jocks are heroes, 'nerds' are pariahs
<3> took her first college course at 15
<2> TImur: you even see sports mentality in politics ... our side wins ... what a joke! ... what did we win? ... not sure but our guys are in the White HOuse
<0> raem: I was speaking to the issue raised by Oc, sorry for the confusion
<0> Oc: right, exactly. Winner take all, #2 is a LOSER
<1> well its said best...we need more indians not chiefs
<1> jar heads do the dirty work
<2> gloriae: the school district taxes take most of the money I would have used for tuition at a private school, and there were no private schools anywhere near where we lived and worked
<3> OcDoc: any community college in your area?
<2> TImur: the confusion was not generated by you, but in his own head
<2> gloriae: this was a while ago
<0> jarheads are necessary, but it's a simpler job, and de-emphasizing the need for quality 'chiefs' is self-defeating. and, well, stupid.
<3> they're often far superior to high school, underage students can enrol full time with parental permission, and the quality of the course offerings tends to be at least better than high schools
<1> if you arent confused you dont know whats goin on
<3> and the quality of the teaching often superior to that in 4 year colleges/universities
<0> Oc: fair enough, just clarifying. :)
<2> gloriae: and often not
<1> so take are u leetist horse **** and shove it right up ur ***...like shane blackzilla diesel ****s down on some white hoes
<0> glo: I know a lot of people who start careers right after attending the local community college here
<1> feel me?
<0> raem: er.. wha?
<2> rakem seems to be losing it
<1> losing what?
<2> "it"
<1> blue states?
<4> your mind?
<1> were losing tons of blue states
<1> look around ya
<3> Timur: it's really a better route for brighter than average students in many areas
<1> oh wait
<1> there was only 5
<1> thats a ton sure.,,,
<2> there's no such thing as red states or blue states ... they're all purple ... a mix of red and blue
<3> the high schools want the body count, they want that student in that chair so they get their cut per student per day from the state
<0> glo: I agree, and it's much more cost effective and practical for many
<0> having for example not just 'high intellectual' cl***es available, but also trade-related ones, like nursing, robotics, pharmacy, etc
<3> it's a good mix, imo
<3> all kinds of education in one place
<3> getting lots of different people off to a good start
<2> TImur: having kids sitting in nice neat rows listening to teachers talk, even in the high schools, should have gone the way of the dinosaur twenty years ago
<0> Oc: well, lots of teachers reorganize rooms now, i.e. in circles, for example
<0> different configuratons
<0> +i
<5> http://pastebin.com/544713 <----- Brief History Lesson
<2> TImur: I kept piping up at brainstorming sessions ... what do you want the cl***room to look like in ten years? .... if you say the same as it does now, you're not planning
<3> I've been in both, and those circles tend to turn into torture sessions
<3> rows are more economical in terms of space
<0> Oc: lots of research about that to bolster your claim
<2> TImur: I ***ume you're joking, right?
<0> Oc: no, it's real
<3> the circle is idealized by some people who pay little attention to empirical results, imo
<2> Timur: I meant learning a different way other than by lecture
<0> glo: it can be a circle, a horseshoe shape, groups
<3> a good school has room for both lectures and discussions
<3> and won't call typing and learning microsoft office "computer science"!
<3> we all have issues, it seems ;)
<2> Timur: I was thinking more along the lines of tutorials, independent study, deemphasis on scheduled groups
<0> Oc: right, the paradigm now includes 'mixing' , some row-based learning, some group work, some circle or horseshoe discussion/presentation
<2> individualized coursework
<1> education is a failure yet is stands elite?
<0> ah, schedules are still held to, because they have to meet state- and NCLB-established curricular 'benchmarks' for given subjects
<2> schools without walls, apprenticeships
<1> look at all the feminism in colleges
<0> 'by April, you must have covered chapters 1-20'
<1> and liberal thoughts being stuffed down these young unmolded minds
<2> rakem: education is not a total failure ... the elite students still manage to benefit from it
<3> or find something else from which to benefit while keeping a toehold in what p***es for education in their jurisdiction
<1> education is a failure when it education educates itself
<1> u cant slice it any better than that...
<0> when it education educates itself?
<0> hm..
<2> Timur: that's what I mean ... why aren't they planning to eliminate that crap ... what counts is what each individual accomplishes before adulthood, whenever that occurs?
<1> trial and error as a college degree is simply useless...we are primitive in education
<1> education always educates itself
<1> thats why it is necessary and also silly at the same time
<1> i can see it?
<1> cant u all?
<2> rakem: it's your wording that makes your thoughts opaque
<1> i dont rather care
<5> Education is not a complete failure but as a parent you should recognize it is your duty to buy up as high as you can go away from the public part of education
<0> Oc: well, the reality is teachers have to balance things. On one hand, trying to deal with each student individually as much as possible - but with 120+ a day, not so easy; and on the other hand, the various dicta of the state board of ed as filter down to their local schools
<2> rakem: neither do I
<1> it is what it is
<3> some public schools are excellent
<1> why should u care
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