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<0> If you let someone else be in charge, they are in charge.
<1> if they were truly in charge, it would have been so regardless of what we thought
<1> no, they aren't
<0> Letting them versus having no choice is irrelevant to the fact that they were.
<1> yif you "let them" it is an illusion
<1> when someone is "allowed" to run certain things, that can be taken away at our whim
<1> they aren't truly in charge
<0> If the boss puts you in charge over a department... you're in charge over that department.
<0> Just because he didn't have to doesn't change what he did.
<1> no, your boss is ultimately in charge
<1> if he doesn;'t like how you do it, you won;t be in charge anymore
<0> Well, in the time where you were 'let' in charge... you were in charge.
<1> same with the UN, we were their "boss" in the Gulf War
<0> We let the UN be in charge until after the war... then we fired them.
<1> but Bush followed their wishes for his own reasons
<1> anyone who can fire people, is in charge
<1> of those people
<0> Yeah, but that is a separate issue.
<1> whoever you can fire, you;re in charge of
<0> I'm saying they were in charge of the war.
<0> Just because we could have been in charge, doesn't mean we were.
<1> not really
<1> no, we were in charge
<1> hence the firings
<0> What a ****ing stupid semantic argument we've stumbled into.
<1> lol
<0> Why the **** are we doing this to ourselves?
<1> I dunno
<0> Me either.
<1> hehe
<1> have you seen Monty Python
<0> I just suddenly realized I was annoying even myself.
<1> "I could be arguing on my own time"
<1> great skit
<2> If it wasn't for you two, I'd be looking at a screen saver :}
<0> heh
<0> "I have to march because my mother could not have an abortion." - Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-Calif) at Anti-Bush Pro-Abortion Rally Sunday, April 25
<1> jesus, does she know what she's saying
<2> I like the Dems position, they need to keep pushing it
<0> Bush's proposed VA budget adds yet another boost to VA funding... still far cry from what it should be.
<1> I almost wish her Mom had an abortion
<1> I should march too !
<0> Bush has been doing a fairly good job at boosting the VA budget over his 5 years so far... but it was so underfunded to begin with it is hard to compliment him much.
<1> I wonder if she ever put 2 and 2 together ... hey, now if Mom had an abortion.... WAAAIT a minute!
<1> doh
<2> Retro-active abortion is ok with me , in her case
<2> I think she was involved in Dale Earnharts death
<1> heh
<3> god, I wish maxine's mom had an abortion!
<1> "Three Die in Deadly Cartoon Protests"
<1> wow, cartoons are getting so real!
<3> cool
<3> they deserve it
<1> I wonder how they drew the blood and stuff like that
<1> crayon maybe
<1> KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - International peacekeepers clashed Tuesday with Afghans protesting drawings of the Prophet Muhammad, leaving three demonstrators dead and prompting NATO to send reinforcements to a remote northern city.
<1> it was the bad guys who died yes
<2> Hey easy on the "3" some of us are still morning :]
<1> hehe
<1> I'm sure they were fine people =)
<2> hey did you hear a church burned in Phoenix?
<1> no
<1> but I must sleep
<1> laters
<1> +
<2> it was a mexican church
<2> so the media didnt cover it
<4> hey.. look who is in there
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<4> Rayvyn on #politics
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<4> panini on +#stocks +#politics
<4> Klit is my wife
<4> Hillbillery
<3> wtf was that?
<2> ?
<2> did I miss something
<2> again?
<3> i guess so
<3> but it wasn't important
<2> good
<2> I have never typed this word in irc but , did you see what britney speers did with her kid?
<0> Yeah... drove... *gasp*
<0> omfg
<2> I would have booked her *** for endangerment
<0> With all the crack ho moms around... I think the cops can focus on more important matters.
<2> we like celebs in our jail, ask kurt bush or glen cambel
<2> glock, could you put your infant in any more danger?
<0> Easily.
<2> I think you should be able to strap them to a brush guard, get them in front of the accident
<0> A girl in front of the diner got arrested for leaving her sleeping baby in the car while she filled out a job application.
<5> Thanks for the +v
<5> hey peoples
<2> Glock sounds like a bad judgement call
<0> Sounds pretty rational to me.
<5> what state?
<2> was it 140 degrees outside
<0> I'm a bit too paranoid to do something like that... but some 20 year old single mom doesn't tend to share my same level of paranoia.
<0> No it was a cool, cloudy day.
<5> in oregon you cant leave a kid in a car if its out of your sight
<0> Well the car was in sight... the diner here has huge windows around the entire front.
<0> She sat in the booth just on the other side of the window from her car while she filled out the application.
<6> interesting. cant pay a babysitter without a job, hard to get a job walking in carrying a baby
<2> we are getting to the point where common sence is going to be challenged by the law
<5> it should be dropped than
<0> And the windows were almost floor to ceiling.
<6> ive known plenty of employers who dont like hiring single mothers.
<0> Meanwhile some gangbangin' bitch is shooting up with her boyfriends piece out on the coffee table and the baby unsupervised while they get ****ed up in the bedroom.
<6> always h***le i guess
<5> i dont think ive known any that wouldnt hire a single mother
<6> ReTroAcTi oh I have. often late for work, often have to leave work, often cant make it to work cause babysitters awol, known to bring screaming baby into workplace.....
<0> Not hiring single mom's is a bit easier to get away with in small family owned businesses with few employees... nobody watches them too much.
<0> Yeah... single mom's have a hell of time... especially when it comes to the lower income and ****-job situations.
<5> i know a single mom that has a job and gos to school
<7> good for you
<5> and she has to work at her sons school
<0> Some people can pull it off... others can't.
<0> Extremely situational.
<2> I'm not in the Biz world anymore, but 10 years ago single moms worked harder than the 20 something slacker skater dudes
<6> doesnt change the fact that single moms are discriminated against, for above reasons
<6> AzRedneck they do, no doubt about it
<0> Some single mom's have decent jobs where they can afford reliable child care... others don't... most' don't.
<5> some people know it
<2> Bud ^5
<5> my dad died before i was born
<0> Some single mom's have family or friends available to help them out when everything else goes to hell... others don't.
<5> my mom raised 5 kids and worked nights
<6> but if they cant afford daycare, or a reliable babysitter, their job performance suffers
<0> Who watched you while you worked?
<5> the va and ssi helped though
<0> while *she* worked, rather.
<5> my sisters
<0> Family.
<0> See, some people have that... many do not.
<5> i was the youngest
<5> had 2 sisters and 2 brothers
<5> va and ssi got her through
<2> Let me tell you a story that you will not hear today
<0> A lady with one toddler doesn't have an older kid to watch the other.
<6> I was just making a point, thats probably a very valid reason why a female would want to leave a baby in the car while filling out an application and talking to a (hopefully) new employer
<3> soccer moms
<0> bud`... aye, and especially at a small mom and pop business like the diner.
<5> grandma is good for such things too
<6> Glock21 yep, especially in that kind of business
<5> hell the state will even pay for her child care
<0> ReTroAcTi... some states will help.
<5> the problem with that is teh states wont help at all if she makes too much money
<5> so most of the time
<0> ReTroAcTi... well for obvious reasons.
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