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<0> Why do you think that?
<1> Speaking at the National Press Club in Washington on Thursday Rumsfeld said "You've got Chavez in
<1> Venezuela with a lot of oil money. He's a person who was elected legally just as Adolf Hitler was elected
<1> legally."
<0> KoB: putting the PIC system together would probably cost about $40, but it'll replace alot of other components if you want to use input besides the pots, later.
<1> FreeTrade: rumsfeld said this, do you dissagree
<2> honey meade will make you feel like a viking
<3> KoBushi: you can get free PIC chips
<2> and inthe morning make you want to be one hahaha
<3> KoBushi: just go to microchip.com and order free samples
<4> gop: both have been known of ordering hitsquads against those who oppose them...
<3> As for building a PIC programmer, you can do that with 2$ worth of common parts on a breadboard
<1> Lupine: good point
<1> "And then (he) has consolidated power. And now of course is working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr.
<1> Morales and others," Rumsfeld said, said referring to Evo Morales, Bolivia's new socialist president.
<1> Rumsfeld comments came hours after Chavez ordered the expulsion from Venezuela of Capt. John Correa,
<1> Military Attach to the American Emb***y in Caracas, accusing him of espionage.
<2> Clip its actually pretty good stuff=)
<1> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060202/pl_afp/usvenezuelarumsfeld_060202203248
<5> gop he must of had more of a point then that ? BTW That has always been my criticism of democracy. but to these guys democracy means something different than its literal meaning in fact to most in the west they understand it to include freedom of press and minority rights and capitalism to a significant degree.
<0> gop: Chavez isn't quite as.... bat**** insane as Hitler.
<2> its like hard brandy
<3> I don't think Chavez is nearly as evil as hitler
<6> RumpsFeel is one twisted bastard. who can trust anything that he sez?
<5> this is not always the case in democracy sometimes it can be evil and bad people can be elected.
<0> There's also the whole genocide thing that Hitler did.
<2> if its made right
<7> sounds like the coretta king memorial was patterned after paul wellstones
<8> that seems a lot steeper than the ~$10 to build the whole controller using a 555 :P
<3> Then again, he does bring in some crazy people to his side.. like that bellafonte guy, what a nutcase "Bush is the greatest dictator and terrorist in the world!" .. some people are really far gone in their liberal delusion
<2> mohammed never says anything against fermented honey
<5> Damn I think they are compressing 28 gigs of backup to i DVD
<5> 1 DVD
<0> KoB: It won't be the moment you have to redo everything because a single pots wouldn't do it.
<2> only grapes and grains
<5> Comprssion ration 22.xx%
<8> well I guess it's more than that anyway because I still need to get a 120v realy with 12v DC coil
<6> yeah honey and wildflower mead are ok.
<2> yeap
<5> COmpression ratio I mean.
<3> KoBushi: when you need to control more parameters and to monitor more inputs.. when you need to keep logs.. the PIC will be there for you
<1> dvd life span
<1> is 5 years
<1> or less
<1> I would not trust it
<5> GOP, Why ?
<0> KoB: Keep in mind, with the PIC, you can have failsafe values, protecting all of your components down the line
<1> i rather trust backup tapes
<0> With the 555... if the pots break.... that'll be nasty.
<1> FreeTrade: unless you get good quality dvdr
<5> you mean magnetic tapes ?
<8> allright... so where can i learn more about these PICs, and the procces of making the whole deal work?
<1> yea
<3> KoBushi: you could easily hook up a few digital thermometers to the PIC. BTW, you can get free samples of just about any electronics parts
<1> they have longer life
<2> Clip watch 13th warrior sometime
<2> its awesome
<1> or flash disc
<2> it was made years ago
<5> I have DVD-R4x DL
<0> gop: Uh?
<1> oh
<2> its a damn good movie
<9> was that the one with antonio banderas
<9> or whatever his name is
<0> DVD-Rs only last 5 years or less?
<1> Astrodog: what the life of a dvd
<0> Who told you that?
<8> e-Hernick that's true, and I've got tons of thermistors laying around
<1> thier was a article on msn
<1> about it
<5> Keep it in a clean sleeve and dont use it, it should last as long as you want.
<1> unless you take good care of them
<3> Astrodog: DVD-Rs can only be expected to last this long.. while most will last much longer, if part 8 of 12 of your backup is dead.. there's a problem
<10> hey fellas
<0> gop: Some scientists were able to cause one to expire in 5 years, by putting it in an incredibly hostile environment.
<10> can anyone think of a war or fight that was prevented or ended with positive results? I'm trying to think of one for this paper I'm writing
<8> Astrodog; e-Hernick so, know any fairly comprehensive tutorials/etc on PICs online per chance? :)
<1> Astrodog: yepe
<3> No, it's true. DVD-Rs can degrade within 5 years in a normal environment
<8> ultimate ... how could one ever know?
<10> sry.. I'm too vague
<3> KoBushi: well, there's plenty of them..
<10> I mean..
<10> a preemptive attack
<0> e-Hern: Did you read the study backing that up?
<10> that yeilded good results or whatever
<10> or ended a war sooner than it would have
<0> They alternated between an oven at like 140F, and a freezer, every day, for the whole 5 years.
<1> Astrodog: thier better media to back up stuff
<5> Tell me how a dvd goes bad stored in a protective case with a protective sleeve which isnt touched after recording unless you lose a HD and need the files ?
<0> gop: Yes, there is. Its called LTO, and its expensive as ****.
<11> Howdy folks.
<0> Free: It changes chemically, over time.
<3> KoBushi: do you have any programming experience with microcontrollers?
<1> I don't think some one is going to trust thier very valuable data to dvd
<8> e-Hernick nope
<8> e-Hernick most programming i've done has been mIRC scripting and javascript :P
<10> anyone?
<3> KoBushi: if you want to go the easy way, you can get a BASIC stamp, which is a PIC mounted on an easy to use board, and it comes with a programmer and a BASIC compiler
<5> Besides I hope people backup at least once a year.
<3> KoBushi: I'd suggest you do that for you first microcontroller project
<0> Free: Heh
<0> We have to do it daily.
<5> hehe
<1> FreeTrade: it good, just backup the dvd backup
<1> it cheap
<3> KoBushi: http://www.parallax.com/
<5> Astro, Im trying that incremental to see what happens.
<1> FreeTrade: just buy good dvd media
<5> how good it works.
<12> FreeTrade: Burned CDs will go bad eventually no matter what, due to the organic nature of the ink that CD/DVD-Rs use. But normally that shouldn't happen for at least five years after burning.
<8> e-Hernick hum got any with a USB interface all included in on sha-bang?
<1> Pickle: yepe
<5> GOP there is no such thing as Cheap DL media
<8> on->one
<5> ;)
<13> cd's are rated for 100 years
<5> Its over $2 a disk
<13> cd's are rated for 100 years, they shouldn't go bad in 5 years
<1> FreeTrade: I seen dvd at 25 cent bulk
<5> GOP not DL
<1> sure
<5> No way
<1> no dvd are good
<1> just backup
<5> not unless you are buying 1000 at a time
<1> dvd r
<5> or more
<1> oh dual layer
<5> I said DL
<1> are new
<1> that why
<5> hehe
<5> yep
<1> No your write
<1> I was confused
<5> Was waiting for you to catch that.
<1> right
<5> hehe
<13> you should use tape to back up
<1> yepe tape is better
<5> Isnt tape magnetic ?
<13> you should back up ever 2 days
<1> thier company that can backup
<5> Isnt tape magnetic ?
<14> masking Scotch Duct?
<0> Free: Yes.
<13> magnetic tape
<1> FreeTrade: thier a company called moutain something
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