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<0> Oh.
<1> FreeMrkts: They don't. You can be a Chinese citizen and travel to China on a Chinese p***port even if you're a US citizen.
<2> FreeMrkts: do you have the ability to prove your magical abilities in a controlled study/
<3> the oath says you have to
<0> Well I used to belong to the skeptics society, I only quit because I didnt renew, and besides I can read anything I want online.
<2> FreeMrkts: cause you could be rich
<3> they just arent strict about it, apparently
<0> Its not magical
<4> e-Hernick I am somewhat an expert on such things
<0> I reject that they are either magical or super natural
<4> exactly
<0> Its probably related to magnetism or some power we dont understand scientifically.
<4> it does work though
<2> FreeMrkts: but still, you have the ability to sense water from a distance?
<3> http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/teacher/oath.htm
<0> I can and have proved I am a water witch.
<3> and it says you have to 'swear under oath'
<0> I have found more than water as a water witch.
<2> FreeMrkts: if you could demonstrate such a skill, you would revolutionize the world of science
<2> FreeMrkts: because it would show that you possess a sixth sense
<0> if you put on the end of my divining rod he material you are looking for I can fing its match.
<2> FreeMrkts: or that you can communicate with water
<1> FreeMrkts: Can you stop the rain?
<0> If you put a steelhead fin on it I can walk up a river and locate steelhead fish.
<2> Anyway, James Randi offers you ONE MILLION DOLLARS if you will take his challenge and prove your skill
<0> MrRod, Now after age40!
<2> http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
<0> But I am serious about the other stuff.
<4> e-Hernick it works. I have known a few who were expert at it. I knew one who worked in Tx as was consulted by hydro geologists
<0> I cant explain it, I dont try to explain it, I dont claim its spiritual, I dont claim its super natural.
<2> I deny that it exists.
<0> I believe is natural law within the rules of our physical universe.
<4> e-Henrick that is good
<2> I'm saying that if you do have this skill, Randi will give you a million dollars.
<0> I mean whats the big deal about auras, Every person has electricity running through him, literally all the time while he is alive, he also gives off heat.
<2> FreeMrkts: if it is possible for you to sense water and it isn't a paranormal phenomenon, then you will make an enormous contribution to science
<2> if you can prove such abilities, then you will revolutionize understanding of the human body, and of physics in general
<0> I think most people just block out auras because the eyes ignore what it has no use for.
<0> I have to meditate before I see auras, I have to put myself in a certain meditative state.
<2> maybe you are one of a kind, you a some sort of "atomic superman" who has special abilities that are but a preview of the man of the future, the super-evolved man.
<0> And no its not a supernatural state either.
<4> in the late 19th cent a salesman for the Edison recording company demonstrated a cylinder player to the French Academy. A Grey bearded old and respected scientist dashed up to the stage and clamped a hand over the salesman's mouth. To his utter estonishment the player continued
<2> you owe it to science
<2> and to you wallet. Imagine, with one million dollars and the certainty that you will teach something to science
<0> I have to agree to allow myself to see the auras which means I have to calm the mind from normal concerns and concentrate.
<2> The auras have no practical purpose, do they?
<0> Some may argue that I see what I want, but the first time I saw them I didnt understand it.
<2> I mean, is there any point to seeing auras?
<4> I can se auras as well, there is nothign weird about it
<0> And I didnt know wha an aura is.
<2> do you gain anything by seeing auras?
<4> no
<2> Anyhow, the water witching thing is interesting
<0> Pilgrim absolutely, I mean you and I are weird but its nothign bid.
<2> it's a useful abilty
<0> big;)
<2> and you can make 1 million dollay
<4> heh very true ;)
<2> will you?
<4> why?
<0> I cant make money off it without lying to people and misleading them
<2> because it would advance science
<3> youve never seen the old time miners and prospectors and **** on tv using those rods!
<4> to prove Randi is a pompous old jerk?
<2> pilgrim`: no, to make 1M$ and to advance science
<4> it would be fun, but I never attack another man's religion
<2> if somebody proves that they have this ability, then science as we know it is going to grow
<0> All I can say is your aura is particularly bright, or your aura is dull or your aura is purplish or some other color and I mean barely that colore not bright purple.
<2> well, auras are meaningless
<2> they aren't a special ability
<5> aurae
<4> e-Hernick if one is open minded, one learns. That is the basis of learning
<2> but being a water witch is
<0> you know how a lot of old pictures they drew halos and stuff around people ? or light ? I think they just saw auras too and didnt know what to call them.
<2> pilgrim`: indeed
<2> I wish to learn more of the power of the water witching
<2> And to make science grow
<4> it isn't a power
<2> do understand this special power
<0> Well to say they are meaningless is to be presumptious and not a good skeptic.
<2> and what biological adaptation makes it possible
<4> no more then any other physical ability is
<0> A good skeptic will suspend judgement.
<6> pilgrim` is a power.
<7> FreeMrkts / pilgrim` um, that is called astigmatism :P
<3> e-Hernick http://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/Dowsing.html give it a go
<2> I mean, perhaps only certain super-humans possess this special power to sense water at a distance, by exploiting the properties of a mysterious "water radiation" or "water magnetism" which is currently unknown to science
<0> Lupine, Possibly ;)
<2> science would greatly benefit from this knowledge
<4> "I an see clearly now the rain is gone..."
<5> http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/8746_comment.php <-- jhaha
<0> I so say it is not supernatural, I dont claim as e- does to know what it is and isnt.
<2> the ability to sense water at a distance would be a great one indeed
<4> no, PT Barnum types would
<2> FreeMrkts: but why not find out
<4> why subject one's self to that?
<2> FreeMrkts: would you not like to discover why you have this magical power, and how to replicate it in others, all the while earning a cool 1M$
<2> pilgrim`: money
<0> He claims its of no importance but then how can he possibly know ? As a skeptic I have to reject not only the supernatural but the leap of faith that is has no importance which is a belief not a fact.
<4> I have money
<2> pilgrim`: but you don't have special powers
<7> timur: Kama ima shelha lokahat le laila?
<4> yep. none whatsoever.
<0> e-, You keep calling it magic, I think everyone has it.
<2> FreeMrkts: are you confident enough in your special ability so that you can demonstrate it in a controlled environment
<0> I think its the energy field which bty the way can be measured on some machines.
<1> FreeMrkts has no need for money!
<2> FreeMrkts: but nobody, not a single man has proven this ability before, in all of eternity
<0> So there is scientific proof of some sort of field around the body.
<7> timur: i do not speak a word of yiddish.. are those "legit"?
<4> incidentally; I woudl suggest a look at a fellow named Otto von Richenbach's notes on what he called "od"
<0> But what the aura is which we see and what we are seeing and what it means are unknowns and will remain unknown until science explains it.
<2> FreeMrkts: therefore, if it could be proven by science that some men have superpowers that let them sense invisible water through a physical phenomenon far beyond our current understanding, then science would come closer to explain it
<0> Anyway, My kid needs to go to cl***.. TTYALL LATER
<4> he did studies on crystals and their effect
<2> FreeMrkts: you would help science to explain and understand your magical abilities
<0> MrRod, Adieu!
<2> and make 1M$!!
<8> later, i need to go to the pub
<0> Its not Magic
<2> one million dollars!
<0> Are you deaf ?
<0> Its not Magic
<2> it's witching?
<0> Are you deaf ?
<4> Richenbach was an early chemist and 1st synthed kerosine
<2> witches and mages
<3> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6974
<0> Pay attention
<0> Magic is an illusion not a reality
<2> I don't care what it is, honestly.
<0> I got to go, Later.
<2> But science has got to study it
<2> magic or magnetism, no matter.
<4> prestidigination or thaumaturgy?
<2> it needs to be explained
<5> FT; cya!
<4> e-Hernick "There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio..."
<2> though honestly, at this point I am convinced that it is self-delusion, and will believe so until you prove your extraordinary claims, which would make you unique among all mankind as possessor of a special ability never before scientifically observed amongst anyone, ever.
<1> FreeMrkts: Have you seen my aura (***uming I have one)?
<4> whatever you believe is yoru religion. that is good
<9> who's ip is that
<9> houstontx
<2> pilgrim`: my religion?
<2> augh..
<4> indeed. "what you believe"
<2> sure
<2> those are extraordinary claims of magical powers
<2> why would I believe that?
<4> convincing someone so they "believe in it" seems more the work of a missonary
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