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<0> IRaq is ****ty sure, but worse now than when we got there
<0> if yer gonna play the whole dictator card then we gotta clean house in alot of other countries with worse ones
<0> lets be real
<1> indeed
<0> iraq is about oil
<0> but Im all for oil
<0> I love oil
<1> too bad
<2> We just waged war there, still dealing with an insurgency... wtf is it supposed to be?
<1> its run out
<2> better?
<1> its not an insurgency
<1> its a resistance
<3> http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/
<1> bud` tnx
<2> Germany was a bombed out ****hole after WWII... took many years of rebuilding.
<1> `insurgency` implies an extant government
<0> They would never call them a resistance
<0> its too flashy for media
<1> sure
<0> insugency sound scarier
<2> insurgency: the quality or state of being insurgent; specifically : a condition of revolt against a government that is less than an organized revolution and that is not recognized as belligerency (Merriam-Webster)
<1> QED
<1> they are not insurgents
<2> The term seems to fit quite well, actually.
<1> what?
<1> ` and that is not recognized as belligerency `
<0> Shiites all need to be whiped out
<2> belligerency: the state of being at war or in conflict; specifically : the status of a legally recognized belligerent state or nation (ibid)
<0> Genocide style
<0> **** it they're saying it about us
<3> it depends on what the definition of 'is' is
<3> jesus
<1> hanzblix that is rascist, not political
<3> its a ****ing insurgency
<0> israel: yah I know
<2> I guess it is inappropriate to call them insurgents if you are protesting the use of the english language.
<0> Im a racists **** neways
<2> But hey, to each their own.
<1> oh
<0> I hate all people except me really ...
<3> g'night
<4> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_bills&docid=f:sj23enr.txt.pdf <--- Section 2 paragraph A says it all
<4> the President is authorised to use all necessary and appropriate force
<0> force = survielance?
<0> sure !
<0> Thats a broad *** statement
<5> Thanks for the +v
<1> bush is ruined and he knows it. but he doesnt care cos the entire country is about to hit a wall anyway
<2> It's a bigger stretch than the authorizing citizen detainment argument.
<0> detainment falls under the patriot act
<2> But that stretch panned out.
<0> this is all about domestic spyin
<2> hanzblix... it fell under the 2001 Authorization of Force.
<2> According to the Supreme Court.
<1> SonOfSpam no - it didnt
<2> But hey, what do they know?
<4> yes it did we already showed that
<1> SonOfSpam what limits does the executive branch have?
<4> But we know from the Supreme Courts decision in Hamdi that such detention is authorized. Justice OConnor reasoned: Because detention to prevent a combatant's return to the battlefield is a fundamental incident of waging war&Congress has clearly and unmistakably authorized detention in the narrow circumstances considered here.
<2> Israel1... they are limited by their Constitutional powers and the laws of the land that are constitutional.
<1> `426Hemi that is a rationale based on the premise that citizens may be considered as enemy combatants. think about that
<4> there are far to many people who wish to tie the hands of the president in waging war against this enemy
<1> what enemy?
<4> Israeli, I will take the words of a supreme court justice over yours anyday
<1> point out the enemy please?
<2> Well the 2001 AoF pointed it out for us.
<4> i think 9/11/01 pointed out the enemy extremely well
<1> SonOfSpam can you be more explicit?
<0> Sure it did.
<2> (a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
<0> But you want to give up liberty for the destruction of AL Qaeda
<4> what liberty has been given up?
<1> but... um... 9/11 was carried out by a cabal in washington in order to dupe the public into supporting its insane power grab. i thought everyone knew that
<0> having my calls screened seems kinda edgy
<0> even if I am calling other countries
<4> i keep hearing all this talk of liberty, but no one can tell me what liberties they have lost
<2> Israel1... you don't think brown people are smart enough to pull it off?
<4> ohh **** off Israeli don't be a dip ****
<2> What are you, some kind of racist?
<4> figures a stupid ***ed australian
<0> hehehe
<0> THe problems with the bush isnt scandal or anything
<0> its lack of action
<0> one word
<0> Katrina
<4> 2 words
<0> its months later and N O is still ****ed
<4> 80 BILLION dollars
<4> hanz what do you think that its like Sim City
<2> Well rebuilding a city isn't going to happen overnight.
<1> `426Hemi what liberties have you lost? rofl... you can be arrested and detained without a reason or even told what you are being arrested for. your finances are checked and cross-checked whenever you travel by air. your phone and email is monitored without court orders. you can be held without charge indefinately. you dont have a right to a jury. i could go on
<4> you just plop down a bunch of new buildings and they grow over night?
<1> `426Hemi sure - just like building 7 spontaneously collapsed for no reason, but in reverse
<4> Israeli, when you actually live in the USA, you will have room to speak about what liberties I have lost
<0> 9th Ward looks almost the same as it did in Sept
<2> My complaint is that they are moving people back in and they haven't done anything to improve the levees yet.
<0> Bush doesnt care about poor black people
<0> hell republicans dont care about poor people period
<2> They're moving people back in just to get screwed again by the next hurricane season.
<4> SoS and that takes the governors authorization to fix those levees
<0> good for them **** 'em, taking my tax dollars
<1> `426Hemi what a ridiculous position. you ***ume from my name that i dont live in america lol
<2> Israel1 is ~Spam@d58-104-41-227.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au
<2> The host mask kind of gave it away actually.
<0> he could be visiting :)
<0> lol
<1> my point stands
<2> The Katrina response was pretty crappy on all levels of government.
<4> uhhmm no i ***ume by your internet address and the backtrace
<0> Here it is Febuary and really not much difference
<2> Same with actions, or lack there of, to avoid the catastrophe to begin with.
<0> Bush needs to realise that the black people arent just going to go away :)
<0> Yup
<0> hell they had 4 day + warning on Katrina
<0> should prep'ed better
<4> ~Spam@d58-104-41-227.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au <--- .au says it all
<2> Bush doesn't have the power to fix new orleans.
<0> imagine if some real bin laden **** went down
<0> scary
<0> HEs the president
<0> he has more power than he thinks
<4> SOS and they are predicting another bad hurricane year next year
<0> lol
<2> Bush has the power to sign the bottom of spending bills congress gives him to send to LA and NO for rebuilding projects.
<1> ok so i have a question
<1> what happens to the US dollar if iran opens its oil bourse in march?
<4> FEMA doesn't rebuild either
<4> thats upon the local authorities
<0> I bet
<0> Iran sneak attacks Israel
<1> lol
<0> thatd start a nice little fight
<1> israel has american nukes
<1> iran doesnt have nukes
<0> Israel has their own nukes:)
<2> Believe it or not that 'limited central gov't' idea is still the supreme law of the land.
<6> we destroy iran's oil capabilities and put the financial sqeeze on them :))
<4> Israel has french nukes
<0> I dont think israel would use a nuke ever
<0> even if it was hit with one
<1> the better bet is that israel nukes iran at the behest/favour of USA
<0> it doesnt have to
<2> Iran isn't a big enough threat atm to justify shooting ourselves in the foot by causing a major oil disruption.
<0> OF course they do
<0> western infulence
<0> thats the whole thing with Iran
<0> they're trying to shut the door on western influence
<4> In 1949, Francis Perrin, a member of the French Atomic Energy Commission, nuclear physicist, and friend of Dr. Bergmann visited the Weizmann Institute. He invited Israeli scientists to the new French nuclear research facility at Saclay. A joint research effort was subsequently set up between the two nations.
<0> thats worse than any ****ing bomb or attack on iran -- to the iranian leadership
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