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<0> SandB so you cite bias news sources
<1> SandB you just wont get anywhere with this, not even the media is touching it... as the investigation moves on everything comes together
<2> I get it from the law itself and legal experts who have come out of the wood work saying she is not a cover agent anymore nor at the time of the leak.
<3> like foxnews is not bias???
<4> fox and CNN, bit reputable rumor mongers, but hardly a source of anything
<0> FreeMrkts I spoke to allan clomes yesterday
<5> FreeMrkt: Washingtonpost as in Woodward?
<3> like republican government documents is not bias???
<3> come on now
<5> there is the key
<5> you won't accept anything that disageres with you
<3> no
<5> disageres
<2> My Point is not the news sources themselves, I want people to apply their own intelligence to analysis of the news and not accept blindly what FOX or anyone else says.
<5> the government
<5> omg
<5> read the papers
<3> you are not accepting the reality situation
<0> SandB she was not covert at the time
<0> SandB that simple logic
<6> If anything this administration makes great daytime TV.. these guys got the Sopranos beat :)~
<1> reality is everywhere but in your personal bubble
<2> My own intelligence, tells me that the law which defines a CIA Covert Agent (Which is not neccesarily a noc), is having been out of the country on an ***ignment within the last 5 years. I would also presume that a covert agent would never walk in and out of langley every morning as she does.
<5> gopp: don't even pander to that point. no one is being prosecuted about that
<2> Bob Woodward at this point is the first known leaker, there may of been someone before him, but that isnt public knowlege yet if their was.
<5> FreeMrkt: there is 1 more before him
<5> I read
<5> I think
<2> The prosecutors case failed on the substantive charges and is prosecuting on the basis of What might be a bad memory or might be a deceptive person scooter libby. Or he may roll for someone higher up if there is anyone.
<5> supposedly to be an individual that isn't a "gung-slinger for the republicans
<7> FreeMrkts: how can a member of the press be a leaker
<2> There is more not known about this case than is known.
<7> the press doesnt get to sit in on top-secret meetings
<2> To speculate beyond what are the facts is irresponsible.
<5> FreeKt: I think it is a vindictive democrat congressmen
<5> I know that is pure speculation
<5> lol
<2> td, Right now (Im just laying out facts) The first person which is KNOWN <-see that word to have information about plame was Bob Woodward of the Washington Post who claimes he knew the information 6 months before the prosecutor alleged scooter knew it.
<7> I see
<2> Thats a big rotten apple in the apple cart. And it means the case has to be reexamined completely which they are doing.
<7> thats what wiki says
<2> Personally I think there should be a time deadline for Independent investigators of 2 years per charge.
<7> does bob woodward need to be locked up until he tells his source
<1> (Update: Detroit, April 7, 2006, 12:24 p.m.) An investigation is underway in Detroit after a six-year-old boy called 911 to get help for his mom, and the operator acted as if it were a joke.
<2> If you cant make a case in 2 years drop it until you have compelling evidence of a new charge or reoppening the case.
<5> td: he's told them
<7> oh right
<1> Officials said the 911 operator will be disciplined, but because of her years of service she will not be fired.
<1> BULL****!!!
<2> The legal system has run amok in washington DC. The same laws should have been in retrospect applied to Kenneth Star.
<1> 911 operators are trained to send a response to every call, even a hangup
<8> FreeMrkts: Well, there's a problem with that.
<5> td: we aren't all privy to private judicial hearings
<6> I don't blame McClellan for wanting to resign.. this is going to get butt-ugly.
<8> FreeMrkts: That it's rather easy for anyone within the government to stall a case for 2 years if it exposes something you don't want public.
<2> Indict or close the investigation if you cant resolve it in 2 years. Pending future evidence.
<1> Detroit NBC Affiliate WDIV reports that six-year-old Robert Turner called 911 on February 20. He thought his mother, 46-year-old Sherel Turner, had p***ed out. She was later found dead.
<8> Although that's maybe not a big deal compared to the benefits of such a system.
<2> Let a judge decide if new evidence warrants a new investigation, a 3 panel judge.
<8> Yeah, that oughta do the trick.
<5> Armon: get in this case
<5> lol
<5> Armon: do you know much about it?
<8> You're talking about the CIA agent leak thing, right?
<8> Publius: Not really.
<5> yeah
<2> We too often end up rendering government ineffective by witch hunts on both sides of the political aisle.
<8> FreeMrkts: That's a strong point, too.
<2> Clinton might have been working on Al queda more if he wasnt spending 4 years defending himself while serving as commander in chief.
<2> Its a question of pUt up, or shut up.
<7> WASHINGTON - The Senate sidetracked sweeping immigration legislation Friday amid partisan recriminations, leaving in doubt prospects for p***age of a measure that offered the hope of citizenship to millions of men, women and children living in the United States illegally.
<7> nice, its shelved
<7> you can relax now FreeMrkts :)
<8> This immigration thing... is it a thing to make illegal immigrants legal?
<9> we need to go ahead and deport them all while it's still illegal
<2> I think the president should have immunity from civil as well as criminal prosecution while in office. but if a crime or civil offense rises to the level of impeachment then the congress could impeach him and then they could hold a formal trial.
<5> Armon: lol, we do this ALL the time here in America
<2> Null, Its impossible so why even talk about it.
<5> this immigration bill
<8> Publius: Oh! I didn't know that.
<4> iirc it is High Crimes and Misdemenors...
<9> it is not impossible, if we can put a man on the moon we can deport some low wage workers
<4> it do sez that some wheres
<2> A) its impossible, B)the government has no interest in deporting everyone C) it would put the economy into a tail spin.
<5> Armon: heard a good argument that this happens every 20 years
<5> lol
<8> Well... long story short, which party wants what?
<4> Null but the moon has yet to develop a native beureacracy
<5> Armon: votes, what else?
<7> WASHINGTON - President Bush said Friday he would use his power to veto spending bills if Congress does not cut the federal budget as he has asked.
<8> pilgrim`: How do you know? [insert spooky music]
<7> thats hot
<8> Publius: ;) hehe.
<5> LOL
<7> make my cuts or i veto!!
<9> he doesn't know how to veto
<9> he's threatened this before and he never does
<4> Armon I bumbed a smoke once off Rod Serling and he told me so
<9> he is a veto *****, will not alienate his party
<10> Putting a man on the moon didn't result in riots and m***-civil unrest. Trying to enforce the House anti-immigrant bill would.
<5> Armon: they congress will just hiss and Frist(the senate majority leader) will punk out the democrats
<11> Bush threatening a veto is like the UN threatening action...
<5> Armon: but he'll let them live
<2> I am curious what cosntitutitutes high crimes and misdemeanors ? If I were a president charged with such a thing I would want to petition the supreme court to see if such charges constituted high crimes, Its just a theory of mine there ar enot enough impeachmetns nor non crimes which are held to impeach preisdents.
<9> pickle that's fine, if criminals want to riot, that just makes them easier to round up
<5> them = illegals
<8> FreeMrkts: The fact alone that Nixon wasn't crucified for what he did to America, is bad enough.
<8> I listened to the smoking gun tape yesterday.
<5> Armon: he's been crucified
<8> What a colossal blunder.
<12> Abusive Domain or User
<5> Armon: he had to go because he was introducing too much executive power/control
<8> And then they use "conspiracy theory" as a derogatory term, just imagine. :)
<5> Armon: not even introducing, I guess
<5> allowing
<8> Publius: Yeah, and attacked the roots of democracy, the only thing that gives freedom a chance? ;)
<10> Null_Werk: You think that all those protesters were illegals? Think again.
<7> oh this is sweet
<8> That's not an acceptable "oops".
<7> McKINNEY, Texas - A woman accused of cutting off her 10-month-old daughter's arms and leaving the baby in her crib to die was found not guilty by reason of insanity at a retrial Friday.
<9> pickle the protests consist of criminals, and those in support of the criminals
<9> pickle it's that simple
<5> Armon: heh, subsidizing democracy for the good of the people is still on the path too tyranny
<5> lol
<5> to*
<5> that needs to be reworked
<5> but
<8> That's nothing short of a fascist government attempting to take over the country.
<10> Null_Werk: And the House bill would result in far more severe civil unrest, so it will never be p***ed. It's also that simple.
<8> Publius: Damn straight.
<8> No matter how "brave" or "American" you are, you're still freakin' human, and humans tend to oppress other humans. It's not a national or ethnic thing, it's a human thing. The idea that the government is simply trustworthy, is ludicrous when compared to history.
<5> Armon: I get hissy when people totally ignore his ather accomplishments
<5> other
<10> America isn't going down the road the Soviets and Fascists travelled down, no matter how much the xenophobes might want it to.
<8> Even democratically elected leaders. Nixon was elected.
<9> america was built by LEGAL immigrants, not people who sneaked over the border
<8> Publius: Well, I suppose it's a bit unfair, yeah... but come on. :) "What about the GOOD things Hitler did?"
<10> As stupid as they are, even America's politicians are smarter than to allow that.
<6> does any one actually believe that all those ilegal aliens are from mexico.?
<8> Null_Werk: Uhm... yeah, legal as in gun-carrying whites slaughtering Indians for land... ;) That's not a very strong point, really.
<5> Armon: lol, cheap shot. Nixon was a good president and became a great one when he became the symbol for our tolerance for tyranny
<8> Publius: That's an interesting point.
<13> td-: god told her to cut off the baby's arms
<7> will the hispanics still hold their rallies on April 10th?
<11> YAR!!! They be criminals, CRIMINALS! I say! They don't have the proper paperwork to be on this side of a line in the sand... which of course is just as bad a rape, murder, or GTA!
<8> Publius: I still think he oughta be hanged for High Treason.
<9> armon indians are like neanderthals in that they lost the game, they are irrelevant to modern legal arguments
<7> its expected that millions will protest on april 10th.. wonder if they will now
<8> Publius: Maybe my anger should rather be towards Johnson.
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