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Comments:
<0> sin: nuremburg proved the fallacy of "i was just following orders"
<1> sintient1, some of those at neuremburg were just following orders.
<2> however
<3> ;)
<1> Lupine, you beat me to it. :)
<0> fernin: ALL of those at neuremburg :-)
<4> that is why zell miller left they are just too left
<1> SweetLeaf, yah...
<2> "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship."
<4> Joe is in the minority
<5> Still you think he should have just kept his mouth shut?
<5> You fault him for coming clean?
<6> Sweetleaf well I like him, course I am not a democrat
<5> You don't deny their were atrocities because you want to fault him for not doing anything.
<1> SweetLeaf, If they were smart they wouldda helped him out...
<0> sin: no, I default him for verbally *********ing over all the atrocities he refused to do anything about
<5> BUt you would rather him kept his mouth shut?
<1> SweetLeaf, since if they cared about winning the presidency... but you are correct.
<2> and due to this
<5> default?
<0> he was in a command position. he refused to excercise said command
<4> I am not either Rebec
<5> So you wish he had justt kept quiet about things he saw?
<7> followed by a dictatorship
<7> lol
<6> Sweetleaf but I respect him and I like him
<2> we have republicans who out spend and out grow government than their opponents
<7> MikeyD - that's a grim outlook
<1> sintient1, I believe lupine is arguing that kerry should have stopped them.
<2> which is equally as ****ing sad
<0> sin: yes, i fault him for keeping quiet about it
<6> Sweetleaf and I saw his wife speak once she's quite eloquent
<1> sintient1, those that he could.
<7> MikeyD- bush said he was against big government spending
<7> too much iirc
<0> fernin: yes, kerry was silent on the issue.. until it was over and too late
<2> yeah, and in that, in all honesty
<1> yep
<2> bush did indeed...lie
<4> dont you get it the new dem and teddy dem are not for the country anymore they are for the party
<7> in that, heh, I've seen the numbers over at treasury
<2> DrDetr0it: you should see the rest of that quote
<5> So he admitted to not doing anything, he still spoke to the horros or war.
<7> MikeyD oh ?
<5> He at least admits to what he did.
<2> The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
<5> Not just change the rules to make it ok.
<1> I wouldn't mind another Teddy Roosevelt in office...
<7> 200
<7> oh
<1> or Grover Clevland
<0> sin: he admitted to violating the oath he swore.. and he admitted to having the power to stop crimes against humanity, and refusign to, to further his own political career
<5> Lupine he didn't stay quiet.
<4> dems dont care if it is right as long as it is more liberal than the consertive view
<8> light another blunt, and im off!
<5> YOu wouldn't know about if he kept quiet.
<2> Alexander Tyler on the fall of the Athenian Republic
<0> sin: in effect, he did. he stayed quiet when it _mattered_
<7> hey, I'd say we're in that dependency back to bondage part
<5> So do you fault everyone over thhere?
<1> MikeyD, 200 years seems REALLY low.
<4> there is not right and wrong in the dem party anymore
<7> you can't put a year count on it
<0> sin: all those in a position to stop it, and who were balless to stop it
<4> as long as they win they are right
<1> MikeyD, I mean, I would think Rome, Greece, and Egypt would throw those numbers way off.
<5> OK I see you are biased against those who admitted it.
<0> who the **** cares if someone admits the holocost in 1950? it was done and gone with by then
<4> what ever it takes
<2> eh, take it for what its worth
<0> sin: yes, I am baised against those who admit they witnessed it, admitted they could stop it.. and choose not to stop it, for their own career
<2> that was said close to 250 years ago
<5> You aren't doing any investigation as to who else was in a position, just jumping all over one person who felt bad enough to admit it.
<1> MikeyD, ahh, it'd be interesting to see what they are counting...
<5> So if he just didn't admit it you would be fine with it.
<2> however, the truth of it is pretty accurate in my opinion
<0> kerry admitted that he could have stopped some of the atrocities he witnessed
<5> I see that is sad.
<2> were completely ****ed right now
<4> How many consertive democrats are there besides Joe
<2> might not fall in the next 100 years, but its coming
<0> sin: no. I am "not fine" with kerry admitting he could have stopped it, and choose not to.
<4> McCain
<7> I think the US Treasury oughta hold global lotteries, lottery of a section of the US, have other nationstates buy tickets
<0> TALK is cheap.. action is paramount
<6> Sweetleaf none that I can think of
<2> maybe my grandkids will know
<5> What about his superiors?
<9> not anyone in here even alive when teddy was pres?
<5> Can you name his division or brigade leader?
<1> MikeyD, well, as Aldous Huxley said independence requires intelligence on the part of the people... and their ability to stay informed.
<1> er sorry
<1> liberty
<0> sin: _if_ kerry had ordered the stop to the killing he was witnessing.. and THEN got overruled.. then I would not fault him.
<1> not independence
<5> You just jump on him because he went public.
<5> You act as if he was the only one in charge.
<0> sin: bull****ing ****, can you not comprehend what you are reading?
<10> hello
<5> I can you are being partisan.
<5> Tell me who else you blame then?
<0> kerry admitted that he COULD have stopped several immoral killings.. and *CHOSE NOT TO ORDER IT TO END*
<11> kerry's nothin but a limousine liberal
<6> hey Rob
<5> If you really cared tell me who else you hold responsible.
<4> why do people keep electing people like Teddy or Chuckie man what is wrong with people
<0> sin: everyone who admitted he could stop it, and choose not to stop it, to further his career
<5> So you think he was the onlyone?
<4> teddy is a fossel
<4> a big red fossel
<0> sin: give me a list of all who admitted they could have stopped a war crime, and choose not to for the sake of their career.
<4> put him on rushmore
<5> SO you believe all atrocities are kerry's fault by inaction...
<0> and i'll condem ever single last one of them
<4> the big tomato head
<0> sin: i never claimed that
<5> So now you aren't mad that he did it you are mad he might have admitted it for his career.
<0> only those that _he personally witnessed_ and what _he admitted he could have stopped_.. and didn't
<9> i know ppl who went to nam, they say u what the hell you were told, the end.
<5> Keep changing your story It's working.
<4> Kerry has medals damn it he is reporting for duty
<3> BAHAHA
<0> no, I am admit that I am made for anyone who could have stopped it, and choose not to
<5> So if he said "there were too many people and they were in a fury, I couldn't have done anything."
<4> and that hair doo
<0> but obviously, I do not know every last one
<12> we are lucky .. the bad storms are either east of us or west of us.
<3> Did Kerry use his military service as a political stance?
<3> I can't rememebr
<0> sin: kerry admitted he could stop it
<5> Eventhough by admitting that it happends he helps keep it from ever happending again.
<0> publius: oh HELL yes
<1> Publius, hmm.... yes. ^^
<4> Kerry was reporting for duty
<5> You really think he could have stopped thousands of troops from doing what they want...
<12> they are moving up ... on either side of us .. but we are in the clear
<3> SweetLeaf: LOL
<0> i ****ing lost count of how many times he was a bragard of having three [ count them, THREE!!! ] purple hearts
<13> actually, Kerry was said he and the people he was with committed crimes, that were not commited.. no only did he lie about saying he committed crimes he never committed, he drug others thur the mud, when they had done nothing, and later he gave false testimony before the congress, that he later refuted.. AND put people up to saying they did things that had NEVER been in nam
<0> sintient: never claimed that.. but keep lying
<13> and you want to defend him.. heh
<5> I asked.
<4> He says has anyone seen my medals
<5> I think he was in war.
<5> I think GWB wasn't.
<4> I havent either
<5> Prove me wrong?
<0> Janet: that is true, kerry admitted to commiting war crimes.. that we know he didn't commit
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