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<0> occ: works out to ~18 servings by my calculator
<1> i could do it, but i wouldn't choose to ;)
<2> Lupine I trust you are home?
<3> The br***iere, or bra, has been around for a long time; much longer than most people realise. And no, it wasn't invented by Otto Titzlinger.
<0> pil: at most I'll drink is 2 beers when I am out in public
<3> That was an amusing myth propagated in the book Bust Up: The Uplifting Tale of Otto Titzlinger by Wallace Reyburn (this was the same man who claimed that Thomas Crapper invented the lavatory).
<1> the etymology of "john" is obscure
<0> occ: hell, my typing is better than usual :-)
<1> oh, i always type better when im drunk
<2> occ A guy named "Lu" invented it. his initals were "WC"
<1> "loo" is also obscure :)
<0> occ: that is true, I am not a very good secretary
<2> Lupine my typing always ****s
<0> pilgrim` no, YOU always ****..
<1> typing is the one thing i do well, personally
<2> dislexia is nto just for childern anymore
<0> ba-da-BING
<0> pil: there must be somekind of medical term.. to describe typing out of order
<0> i.e. dislexia is vision
<1> dyslexia is a broad syndrome
<1> dah dah dah :)
<0> but typing.. i'ld sometimes type an entirely different word.. let alone mixing up keystrokes
<4> Vote Statism.
<5> The president can decl***ify with a protocol.
<3> here's a medical c ondition
<0> occ: naw, can't be a broad syndrome.. men also get it!
<3> poetry.rotten.com/potatoes-n-jelly/0005/
<1> haha
<1> ill refrain from loading any rotten.com page
<3> good idea
<3> although this one is funny
<1> is it someones death?
<5> There is a process to decl***ifying, and there is no evidence that any process was taken in this decl*** pertainient to libby testimony.
<1> i cant laugh at the dead
<3> I dont think so
<0> sin: who creates the "process"?
<3> The guy might wish he were dead
<5> No evidence that the CIA director was told about the decl***ifying.
<1> this leak story is pretty beat, no offense
<5> People who will be affected are to be told.
<1> we just have to wait for more info
<5> It just happend today how can it be beat?
<0> still havn't seen any real proof that valerie plame was a real agent, undercover and secret
<1> also, she has a very odd last name
<0> especially since her neighbors knew she worked for the CIA.. and she was married to an US Amb***ador
<1> thats the thing that bothers me most, frankly
<6> What leak story?
<7> Lupine, once an agent always an agent
<5> You just said there was no evidence she was a agent then the next line you said people knew she worked for the CIA.
<5> What in the world?
<0> speaking of odd.. the granddaughter of the Rothburgs filed a suit against the NSA over the phone-calls-to-terrorist eavesdropping a while back.. never heard what came of that
<5> Censure over NSA spying.
<0> i should have been more specific: a real undercover agent, working for the CIA on a cladenstine project
<5> You aren't supposed to know she is an undercover agent.
<5> That is the problem.
<8> there was alot of evidence when it looked like Libby was the only one on the hotseat..
<3> All I know is, if this were the Clinton administartion and not Bush that supposedly "revealed" this "agent". People here would be howling for blood.
<1> this stuff is just way too complex
<1> who can make heads or tails of it?!
<0> in any event, we still have not seen the media charged with publically leaking the information
<5> America is based on checks and balances and this is just "when ever I want," type of leadership.
<5> It just looks so bad, unamerican.
<7> surlly, yeah well CIA leakage > lewinsky BJ
<3> Ill take the BJ
<0> until the govn't goes after the media who publically spread the information.. it just proves its not a real issue/problem for the CIA
<5> It depends on what the definition of cl***ified information is, is.
<7> yep i think yer country is good if yer leader has time for some side action
<7> err in good shape
<0> bloc: yes/no.. NOT with a fat-ugly-cow
<0> THAT was the true insult
<7> Lupine, which question?
<5> Libby testified that he was authorized to tell the media, media spreads information.
<9> The court filings strongly imply Fitzgerald thinks Plame was covert.
<0> "the most powerful man in the world"..
<0> ajofi: fitzgerald also said that Libby was the source of the leak.. but we know that was false as well
<5> Libby says I am authorized to tell you this, and you expect the media to then say "no this isn't authorized information," even though libby talks personally to cheney who talks personally to bush?
<0> "the most powerful man in the world".. and he can't get some decent looking lady
<10> Is Homo***ual marriage legal in M***achusetts?
<7> anyways i really don't think much will happen from the libby case...it just shows bush might have done something weird and it'll end at that...
<9> Where has Fitzgerald said that Libby was the source of the leak?
<7> media might cover it, but i don't think anyone will go to jail over it
<0> Herzen: yes/no. not by law, but by liberal judge decree
<5> It is just another fishy thing.
<9> lupine: Where has Fitzgerald said that Libby was the source of the leak?
<7> ajofi, closed door testimony
<5> I don't want to have problems with my leaders, it doens't make me happy, but I think not apologizing and excusing it might make future leaders not go down that wrong road.
<0> ajofi: um, his public address.. saying it started with libby
<0> he said that libby was the start of the chain.. when we now know, he was not
<11> later folks
<9> lupine: No he didn't. He said Libby was lying.
<8> she was knee-deep in the centrifuge yellow cake story that Rumsfeld and Condi were selling as reasons for imediate military action in Iraq.. the only way to shut her husband up was to out the source that was gumming up the invasion plans.
<11> my flight is about to leave
<0> Novak admitted he knew it, before that other reporter talked to libby about it
<9> lupine: We don't know what Novak knows. How would we know that?
<0> ajofi: um, because Novak said he knew about it before that date?
<0> why isn't Novak charged with dissiminating cl***ifed information?
<7> anyways:) damn u judas!
<0> yea, time to kill some nazi scumm
<9> lupine: Did he know it was cl***ified? Apparently he's cooperating. Maybe he's got some kind of immunity. He hasn't told his full story yet.
<12> Airbus has no sense of aesthetics whatsoever. The A380 is the most ugly of uglies, compared to the beautiful 747 and 747-8. Also, the new Boeing livery is awesome, especially in contrast to the ugly european airbus colours. Compare: http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives/photos/rb_747a_lg1.html <-- beautiful
<12> vs the ugly ---> http://www.flightglobal.com/***ets/get***et.aspx?ItemID=11483
<12> down with Airbus!
<3> In a court filing, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald stopped short of accusing Cheney of authorizing his chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby, to leak the CIA identity of Valerie Plame.
<9> page 80 of the filing with the US Court of Appeals, revised in February includes the statement: "counsel refers to Plame as ?a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal and who had carried out covert work overseas within the last 5 years??representations I trust the special counsel would not make without support.
<1> I lewis Libby = G Gordon Liddy?
<1> WAIT A MINUTE
<1> this is too much of a coincidence.
<9> G Gordon Liddy is not the same person as I Lewis Libby :P
<1> ...so he claim.
<9> who
<9> they are two completely different people!
<9> they look as different as a rock and an orange
<13> have you seen them both together in the same room?
<9> omg
<13> they could both be the same robot with different disguises
<9> right, of course they are
<13> don't underestimate robots man
<14> President Bush authorized Vice President **** Cheney in July 2003 to permit Mr. Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr., to leak key portions of a cl***ified prewar intelligence estimate on Iraq, according to Mr. Libby's grand jury testimony.
<14> Libby under oath: The testimony, cited in a court filing by the government late Wednesday, provides the first indication that Mr. Bush, who has long ***ailed leaks of cl***ified information as a national security threat, played a direct role in the disclosure of the intelligence report on Iraq
<15> he can declasify anything he wants
<15> he is the president, whats the problem?
<14> The president has the legal power to decl***ify information
<8> I didn't think Libby would take that one alone.. Rove isn't going to either.
<14> President Bush must fully disclose his participation in the selective leaking of cl***ified information.
<15> no he does not,.. he can again decl***ify anything he wants ar any time
<15> lolol
<5> Decl***ifying takes a process.
<5> People have to be warned.
<14> JanetB -- Bush already that anyone who leaks information should be investigated
<15> yeah, him saying... ok
<5> CIA Director was not informed.
<15> so
<15> he does not have to go thur anyone
<14> JanetB -- Bush: If There Is A Leak Out Of My Administration, I Want To Know Who It Is. And If The Person Has Violated Law, The Person Will Be Taken Care Of...
<5> There is a process and there is no evidence he followed protocol.
<5> Yes he does, there is a process to decl***ify information.
<15> he can at anytime decl***ify anything he wants
<5> There is some checks and balance for yah?
<15> and what they say was the leak was plum.. one she was not clasiffied and 2 she was no undercover
<14> Bush: And so I welcome the investigation. I -- I'm absolutely confident that the Justice Department will do a very good job. There's a special division of career Justice Department officials who are tasked with doing this kind of work; they have done this kind of work before in Washington this year. I have told our administration, people in my administration to be fully cooperative.
<15> sintient1... look it up.. he has the power to decl***ify anything anytime
<8> hrmm.. sounds like a dictatorship to me..
<14> Bush: I want to know the truth. If anybody has got any information inside our administration or outside our administration, it would be helpful if they came forward with the information so we can find out whether or not these allegations are true and get on about the business.
<15> oh so what it a dictatorship when everyother president did it before him?
<16> hehehehe
<15> you guys will scrimp for anything, it is so amazing to watch
<14> JanetB -- First, it would be extremely difficult to find a president who leaked cl***ified information duringt wartime for political reasons
<15> plum was nothing.. nothing... do you guys understand that....
<14> JanetB -- This is an excuse
<16> JanetB: of course they don't!
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