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<0> the problem with buying and selling is that we do not see the full reality of the product people are relitivly intelligent if we could empathize the blood sweat and tears comming from a wallmart product we wouldnt support it.
<1> drewsif, you are devoiced (Requested by TheTailor )
<2> those fine actors who stand up to receive their awards and instead of thanking people, decide to make a political event out of it by saying **** which undermines morale of the troops
<3> Sgtsla: why
<3> Sgtsla: Walmart helps poor people by giving them goods they can afford.
<4> nharris: No one did that this year.
<2> ahh..good
<5> Walmrt ****s ***
<4> nharris: ...and using the word traitor for that, if they did, is a real bastardazation of the word.
<3> drew: that may be so, but they are cheap, and people like cheap.
<5> Yeah.
<3> hell, I like cheap
<0> because we all condemn the terrorist and the war mongerer and say we love human rights but crap on them for material wealth
<5> Indeed.
<3> Sgtsla: we all do? who is this 'we' you mention..
<2> yes and no.. but I'm sure YOU are among the folks who use "ho(e)" to mean prostitute, and that's a bastardization of unforgivable proportion
<0> walmart also has the biggest profit margins and sets a negative precedent profis over people
<3> sgtsla: i love Western Culture, damn the rest of the world.
<4> nharris: Never use hoe in my life for that.
<2> I'm impressed.
<0> the economic base is propagated by us all if we buy into it we die into it man no longer controls his destiny a system does
<4> nharris: I just thing the word traitor is almost meaningless since the right applies it to anyone who says anything against the administration. Kind of diluted to meaningless.
<3> tho my definition of "Western Culture" is a bit academic..
<2> welcome to the english language.. with today's kids changing the meaning of literally every word, it's a wonder we can communicate at all
<3> Sgtsla: really - what system is that?
<0> the economic system
<4> nharris: Under current use, about 50% or more of the people in the US could be considered traitors.
<0> thats why values and morals and ethics are all being tossed
<3> Sgtsla: strange, the free market economy is what allows people to control their destiny, not dominate it.
<3> sgtsla: values, morals, and ethics have no place in an economy.
<0> thats not true antifed
<3> explain.
<2> depends whose definitions you use. For me, undermining the war effort... whether the war was justified or not.. is not a good idea and borders on treason
<3> the only 'value' i would extend as being critical to an ecnomy is that of Freedom.
<0> the free market is deceptive we are told that we will find satisfaction in material wealth, for we are all products of our enviroment and the media penetrates us all
<0> however
<4> nharris: ...and the right says saying ANYTHING against the war is undermining the war effort, so 50% or more of the people in the US are traitors, thus making the term meaningless.
<4> nharris: It would have been so much better if the word was reserved for true treasonous activities like giving away secrets.
<6> hey
<6> the gernal chain rule can I rember like this
<2> eh.. maybe 50% of the USA are traitors to a small extent
<0> we are also educated and hold life to be of value the economic system and media act as filters hindering us from realizeing the impact of our purciceing power just because we cannot relate to people that are oppressed all over the world because of our quility of life
<7> democracy matters
<8> Brak55, pointing out that bitching about fake memo's in an attept to get a bunch of Donkeys elected is not exactly moving the ball forward is not calling people traitors. and you ****ing know it.
<9> if anyone can translate what sgtsla just said, let me know.
<3> Sgtsla: you want me to regulate what products I buy, based on the political situation surrounding their creation? screw that, but you can do that all you want.
<0> lol sorry bout that
<4> Darth: Actually, I'm talking about the growing number of people who are against our current war effort. Are they all traitors if they speak out?
<3> Sgtsla: you sir, have the freedom to control your own spending that way if you want.. me -- I will buy what i need and spend as little as possible.
<6> (u(g(h)))^n y`= n(u(g(h))n-1u(g(h))u`(g(h)g'(h)h' can I do the gernal chain rule like this
<3> Sgtsla: please do not ever try to control my spending freedom
<2> there are degrees of traitor-ness
<6> can any here tell if I am wrong
<0> hahha true libertarian
<3> Sgtsla: yep.
<8> Brak55 if its genuine actual constructive criticism, no, of course not, but thats not what it is, mostly, its bitching about nothing. and yeah, its not helping a damn bit.
<4> gopp: Yeah, looks good to me.
<6> Brak55 most could be traitors not all
<3> Sgtsla: Libertarian Values are ***y again.
<6> Brak55 so that is a gernal chain rule
<6> cool
<8> the "Support for the war" would be just fine if we did not have a bunch of people running around screaming Bush is a liar.
<4> Then I guess I'll wear my supposed traitor badge with pride.
<3> Libertarians are now the only party left that wants Limited Government :)
<0> im not trying to control you at all, i am tring to coherce you rather then manipulate you
<4> gopp: I don't know anything about it, I just said it looked good.
<3> Sgtsla: im cool with that so long as you never advocate law to force me :)
<6> any here better knowledge on the chain rule
<0> i agree that goverment is in essence not neccesary but the govermental systems will be the last to leave mankind
<0> antifed i just want you to know what your buying into thats all
<6> US-Male hey
<3> sgtsla: im buying a product, I don't care where it comes from :)
<0> thats not true
<4> antifed: What do you base your purchase on? Quality? Price?
<3> Brak: In general - I focus on this model.. "Good, Fast, Cheap; Pick 2"
<3> thats how i base all my purchase decisions.
<3> it's an old model suggesting that a good purchase will net you at least 2 of those, but hardly ever all 3.
<3> meaning, "It can be Good & Fast - but it won't be cheap." etc.
<0> thats what your made to belive is what is important anout a product
<3> "Cheap & Fast - but it won't be good" (re: fast food)
<4> antifed: I love the Good, Fast, Cheap - Pick 2. I used to use it against company management who always insisted on all 3 :)
<0> whats your definition of good??
<3> brak: it's a good model :)
<3> sgtsla: we'll it's not McDonalds..
<3> Sgtsla: for good.. has to be Bob's Steak & Chop House.. mmm
<0> no the word what does the word good mean to you?
<3> but that is not Fast or Cheap..
<3> Sgtsla: Good Quality, Good Service.
<0> good methods of production fair treatment of the workforce?
<0> its kinda sad to see imagination so limited
<3> sgtsla: the way they treat their workforce is not my concern as it ultimately factors into the quality of the product. EXAMPLE: a shoe company pays their people very little - if the people are unhappy they will leave and find work elsewhere taking with them their good skills and the product may or may not suffer it. if it does not then the laborers were obviously making a fair market wage.
<3> as a consumer, i only care about the work produced - or the service gained.
<3> if it is satisfactory i am happy.
<0> reality: I have to compete with a company i have to use any means neccesary to make a profit even if it treats life like shizz, can you answer me this question then do you love life?
<3> sgtsla: a company is nothing more then a group of people, people will do whatever it takes to continue to live. :)
<3> sgtsla: companies act in their own self-interest, it is unnatural to be altruistic.
<3> sgtsla: now a company who can make a good product and pay their people enough to continue making a good product, is doing fine.
<0> not true you have to conform allot when in a buisness and the current economic system last time i checked was capitalism not planned economics or sustainable development
<1> steve937 is banned (Requested by TheTailor - Reason: Hey Steve! Fix this! )
<0> the products is butkiss the real power in the system is ruthlessness
<3> sgt: i have no idea what you just said.
<10> the libertarian solution is always the best solution to any problem
<3> panini: yep
<10> wow, somebody agrees wih me :)
<0> haha
<3> panini: i'm a libertarian.. why wouldnt i...?
<3> hehehe
<3> <- free markets rule
<0> i dont want goverment to control me but il watch an hour worth of comercials a day hahah
<3> sgtsla: you want government to outlaw commercials?
<3> just buy a TIVO man
<0> antifed i think life and the enviroment the contiuation of mankind is a little better
<0> i dont want to watch comercials wheres my freedom?
<3> sgtsla: really? you havent stuided civilization much have you?
<3> sgtsla: i don't ask that to be mean, I am going to enlighten you...
<3> sgtsla: do you know anything about pre-aggrarian civilization?
<0> i dont give a rats about who fixes the problem
<0> hunterer gatherer's state of nature stufF?
<3> sgtsla: mankind was small, we lived in small wandering hunter/gatherer tribes.
<0> yeah i know
<3> sgtsla: yep. now what changed it when we became aggrarian?
<0> population
<3> sgtsla: we flourished, we produced a product, were able to sustain more humans, and things such as trade began.
<3> sgtsla: without this 'system' you hate, we would not be here.
<0> again your not telling the truth
<3> o really?
<0> and i do give the economic sytem allot of credit for making peace growth technology slow redcuctions in poverty
<0> however the abuse of the individual body by the system and the non accknowledgement of the enviroment have killed that beast
<3> you really need to stop anthropomorphizing government and business..
<0> how could you propagate a system that has no recognition of an individual life or the enviroment
<11> sgtsla: ?!
<0> no antifed goverment and buisness have meshed if you didnt know or at least the infomation imput between the two systems have changed hands
<11> sgtsla: Government pollutes the environment the most of anything .. and government legitimized slavery and non-equality
<0> there is no more traditional conservatism its marketplace conservatism
<0> because the economic system push's goverments buttons
<11> As long as government has something to sell, business will have something to buy.
<11> Dont blame it on business, blame it on government
<0> icmps so does the economic system except you dont know that your the slave master
<10> libertarianism recognizes individual achievement more than any other system
<11> LOL
<11> im the slave master
<11> sgtsla: The economic system is no slave master-- it is far more receptive to its workers than a government is
<10> in socialism, by contrast, the individual is completely erased in favor of the State
<0> ok you live in a democracy right no one in the usa wants the dubai port deal but what trumps the will of the people and american law, economic law. does you country still count as a democracy then?
<12> hey people
<12> question out of the blue
<12> whats a good cheap airfare site
<10> cheaptickets.com
<0> icmps look at the top precedent setters WALMART how much do they pay ?
<10> or priceline
<11> sgtsla: Walmart isnt very characteristic of the 'economic system' or capitalism
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