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<0> ***ault weaons
<1> Lupine, I think that timur, like most liberals who come here, after a while cant help but become more conservative. Logic penetrates the human mind , always, almost. Some, anyway.
<2> all weapons used for ***ault are ***ault weapons
<0> MLA [Modern Language ***ociation] Handbook for Writers of Research Papers
<0> "...do not use them [apostrophes] in the plurals of abbreviations or numbers (PhDs, MAs, VCRs, IRAs, 1990s, SATs in the 700s)." [3rd edition, section 2.2.2]
<3> Twobar: he has spoken about his anti-second amendment views.. and coming from a jew who OUGHT to know better.. well, I do not think he'll ever change
<2> Timur: well I'll be damned!
<2> thanks!
<0> if 'conservative' means 'any ***hole gets a gun', then I'll never be conservative. At least not on that issue.
<0> Oc: np!
<2> TImur: do you subscribe to an online version of MLA?
<4> correct, apostrophes are not used for plurals
<2> how much does it cost?
<0> Oc: further: The Chicago Manual of Style
<0> "So far as it can be done without confusion, single or multiple letters, hyphenated coinages, and numbers used as nouns (whether spelled out or in numerals) form the plural by adding s alone. [Examples: SOSs, several YMCAs and AYHs, CODs and IOUs, the early 1920s." [14th edition, section 6.16]
<0> Oc: I got it from a site..
<0> The Chicago Manual of Style
<0> "So far as it can be done without confusion, single or multiple letters, hyphenated coinages, and numbers used as nouns (whether spelled out or in numerals) form the plural by adding s alone. [Examples: SOSs, several YMCAs and AYHs, CODs and IOUs, the early 1920s." [14th edition, section 6.16]
<0> ops
<0> sorry for the repeat; meant to paste this: http://xml.coverpages.org/properSpellingForPluralOfDTD.html#languageUsageAuthorities
<1> Timur, an '***ault weapon' has to be full auto. its purpose is to "***ault" and take over a position by laying down a wall of fire, causing the oppoenent to vacate said position. semi-autos has become the definition of '***ault weapon' which is not possible. its a BUZZWORD, designed to elicit a negative reaction from you emotionally , so you wont have to THINK
<5> they call they style eh ?
<4> however it doesn't say what to done when confusion can't be avoided
<0> or more directly: http://www.mlanet.org/publications/style/style_abbreviations.html#A6
<2> Timur: I thought MLA made you pay for their service
<0> Two: it's emotional when kids in the city get gunned down by gun toting AK47 wielding ***holes, who just love the NRA.
<4> MLA = Member of Legislative ***embly
<0> Oc: not the basic version, as per above
<3> Timur: can you cite any person being gunned down by a real AK-47, or heck, even an AKM-47 or AK-74?
<0> not to mention tons of academic websites, used for the same purpose which excerpt it
<6> Twobar: dont forget to outlaw bolt action rifles; afterall... they killed JFK!
<2> Timur: they don't love the NRA ... they are criminals
<4> criminals don't love the NRA dumb***
<2> TImur: ah
<1> Timur, can you tell us if these kids were in gangs and using illegal guns that nobody has control over ?
<0> Lup: sure. read the papers 1986-1990./
<3> typical emotional fear mongering by Timur. Totally devoid of actual facts
<7> TORONTO (AP) - Police said Monday more arrests are likely in an alleged plot to bomb buildings in Canada, while intelligence officers sought ties between the 17 suspects and Islamic terror cells in the United States and five other nations.
<4> the NRA is ANTI-crime
<3> timur: you know that is not a proper citation ;-)
<0> Two: well, they'd better try and get control over them.
<3> please, give me one.
<7> Looks like that thing is connected to alot of places
<8> man...a BAR would be vicious...
<0> Lup: no, I remember the stories.Do your own homework.
<8> automatic weapon firing 30.06 rounds
<3> AK-47's are highly restricted in the US.
<0> Tek-9s, AKs, et et et
<0> c
<8> 600 yard range
<3> timur: they were not real AK's. They probably were semi-automatic imitations
<2> Browning Automatic Rifle?
<8> Lupine...a damn shame
<8> yes
<3> Cry: I've shot one several times.. damn heavy rifle thou.
<8> I was reading about Chicago typewriters on wiki
<1> Timur, you see, there are 300 MILLION legal guns out there. And less than a thousandth of one percent are ever used in crimes. So, the fault has nothing to do with gun owners or guns. its criminals and the black market. That is a whole different subject. In fact, do you want to take self defense guns from decent people, so they cant defend themselves from these creeps ?
<2> takes two BAR
<8> yah...but automatic 30/06?? JHC
<1> BAR is very heavy and impossible to control well
<6> 30/06? weird.
<8> that would shred a human into BK sandwiches
<6> man..
<0> it has to do with both.
<1> the first ones had no semi auto, they were either 300 rpm or 600
<6> that would be messy
<8> it said the orig BAR chambered 30.06 Springfield rounds
<0> see, not everything is reducible to one single cause, but events often occur because of a convergence of multiple causes.
<8> thats like something used to cap large game
<2> Cry: btw ...
<1> Timur, but its funny how our left wing media does not show much coverage of people who defend themselves and families with guns.
<3> twobar: timur opposes basic human rights, you can't reason with him.
<0> it's not a different subject when guns and criminals, two different sets, overlap.
<2> Cry: someone said "bust a cap" ... maybe you?
<0> yeah, it's called acknowledging reality.
<0> and all of its complexities.
<2> Cry: it doesn't mean shoot ... it means breaka u kneecap
<8> OcDoc...possibly...I am familiar with banger speak
<8> bust a cap means to shoot someone
<1> Lupine, his reasoning makes sense to him. he just doesnt accept enough reality from the other side , he will after he finds a source he can respect.
<2> Cry: you know how the loan sharks would break your knee cap if you didn't pay back the loan?
<0> Therein lies the secret of the gun problem that more handguns were manufactured (and sold) from 1973 to 1993 than were manufactured and sold from 1900 to 1973. In effect, on a per-capita basis, there are nearly three times as many handguns laying around now as there were in earlier parts of the century and many of those handguns are possessed by unstable and dangerous people.
<8> OcDoc...that got upgraded
<2> Cry: I don't think so
<0> http://crimemagazine.com/guns.htm
<3> nice.. "laying around"
<8> bust a cap on yo ***....think about it
<2> Cry: bust a cap refers to breaking your kneecaps, at least figuratively
<8> what you mean is kneecapping
<2> cry: more modern version of that
<8> yell the vernacular changed
<8> a 9 mm sounds like a cap gun to me
<9> Timur, except the population isn't anything near the population in 1900, of course you knew that.
<1> Timur, if your main complaint is that guns can get into the wrong hands, yes, that is a problem. But in a free society, thats what happens. You have danger all around.
<2> how would "bust a cap" have anything to do with shooting? the only "cap" that has anything to do with shooting was in the civil war
<9> Timur, typically dishonest of you.
<0> Tailor: right, it's much larger, more complex, with a higher recidivism rate.
<8> just like a shiv is a prison knife
<3> Twobar: right. it's as ***inine as banning cars, because of drunk drivers.
<2> percussion caps
<0> except it's not dishonest, because I'm citing an entire article, which you're free to read.
<8> but shivving you outta something is ripping you off
<2> the primer in early cartridge muskets
<1> "A deputy sheriff in Orange County, Calif., was recently shot to death with an ***ault rifle. He was hit 31 times and one arm was almost severed. He was wearing a bullet-proof vest, but the high-powered bullets from an AK47-type weapon tore through the vest as though it were tissue paper
<1> Timur, already this is a red flag. A bullet from that type gun will not "tear thru a cl*** 3 vest" like toilet paper , it wont go thru at all
<8> Twobar..unless...he was not waering a vest...
<8> or...custom ammo
<2> Cry: I'll autograph it for you ... where's my tattoo needle?
<1> Timur, a quick search on a vest will show you that only a 308 will go thru
<0> Two: there's more to it than a mere anecdote, which you're free to challenge the author about :)
<3> yea, the 7.62x39 isn't known for its armor penetration
<1> He may have been wearing one of these 200 vests you can buy
<1> Timur, I am challenging his FACTS on vests and weaponry.
<0> ok, email him
<8> teflon bullets can go through some armor...
<3> Cry: yes/no, not because they are reflon ;-)
<10> I really like michael moore's bowling for columbine. Unfortunately most conservatives won't watch it because it's michael moore (most of them think it's pro gun control propaganda, when he spends an hour and a half describing the ways in which gun availability is not the problem)
<8> isn't the stuff the military wears pretty good though
<1> Timur, and again, here is something WRONG......An ***ault rifle is a high-capacity, military-style weapon, that has no real purpose in life other than to kill human beings
<10> I don't know if he was correct, but at least he presented an idea that isn't repetative, played out, and quite frankly proven to be incorrect
<1> Timur, he says nothing about full auto vs semi auto, which I already discribed for you
<0> In fact, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) recently disclosed that of 200,000 guns used in crimes, that they have been able to trace in the last year (they are unable to trace many guns), 55 percent of them were purchased through straw parties on behalf of the criminal. A large number of these guns came from a small number (approximately one-percent) of gun stores licensed by the ATF. Of course, the NRA had successfully lob
<0> that's not the only fact, or the most interesting or relevant one.
<8> interesting...
<1> Timur, read back what you just said there....
<1> Timur, they cant trace many guns, showing that criminals are using unregistered, illegal guns
<0> right
<8> Las Vegas Pawn shops with a resellers license usually have the best firearms
<1> Timur, and that most crimes come thru 1% of the gun dealers, which is not alot
<2> duh ... if they're illegal, cracking down on legal guns won't HELP ... sheesh
<0> so, the solution is then not to give up on enforcement.
<1> pawn shops have dealers licenses alot
<1> The solution is to keep a dam good eye on the gun dealers
<8> Twobar which begs the question..if criminals do not have to reg their guns..why should law abiding citizens?
<1> which I agree with
<7> so do I Two
<1> Cry, you have to ask a liberal that. There is no answer.
<3> I loved how Bloomberg had his own "investigators" committing serious felony crimes in their "sting" operation in another state.
<0> but that's not being done
<0> so, there you go.
<2> what's so hard about that concept? cracking down on legal gun owners and their guns will NOT reduce the number of illegal guns out there
<1> Timur, yes it is. I know a couple of BATF agents and I know what they are up to. They are overworked.
<0> then they need more resources
<3> OcDoc: the goal of most "gun control" is not the criminals, it is not the crime.. it is to disarm the lawful public.
<0> which they should get
<7> CRY -- many people own guns that are not registered simply because many states did not require registration until recently -- so only the LATER purchased guns are registered
<1> Timur, because they deal with alot more than just guns
<2> Lupine: 'splain that to Timur
<0> right, there should be a Bureau of Illegal Guns
<1> BATFE also includes alcohol, tabacco, and I forget what the E stands for hehehe
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