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<0> boy Gonzales is smart as a whip
<0> he should have been nominated to the supreme court
<1> thats the reason MS went after the boy in Canada a few years ago, they had to
<1> Not that they wanted to
<2> `426Hemi, maybe he's next
<0> that would be something wouldn't it
<0> 3 appointees to the court in one term
<3> I was watching MSNBC this morning. My god they are so overly liberal it's scary.
<1> Not defending your trademark sets a precedence that can and will be used against you later in court
<2> salstress, a good example are the words 'domestic spying program', a flat out liberal lie, I hear it all the time on MSNBC.
<1> I learned all this trademark stuff the hard way
<3> that was a great statement AG just made - that the thought of our enemy listening to this conversation must be amazed that something so sensitive was leaked and we are trying to leak even more information about it.
<1> Not an expert but am expercienced in an unfortunate way
<4> Ahhh. The "The Media is Liberal" echo chamber, that is #politics in the morning.
<3> exactly TheTailor. they actually said, with a sarcastic tone, "...or terrorist surveillance, if you are part of the administration"
<2> Astrodog, actually it's 24/7 and will remain so.
<3> Astrodog, have you watched MSNBC lately?
<4> Tailor: It tends to relax a bit as the day goes on, or late.
<4> sals: No... I watch CNN generally.
<2> Astrodog, really, well Twobar is in at night to make sure the point gets across.
<4> Tailor: Twobar doesn't really do the "echo chamber" thing, generally.
<2> This is spying on terrorists, not a 'domestic spying program'.
<3> Astrodog, CNN is just as liberal.
<2> Astrodog, well yes he does, in fact he does it deliberately too.
<4> Tailor: It is spying on people, (citizens, and non-citizens), who have called someone who may, or may not be ***ociated with terrorists, program.
<3> hi NeoSage :)
<5> :D
<2> Astrodog, well no, it's not who 'may' be ***ociated, they ARE ***ociated.
<5> howdy salstress
<3> Astrodog, if a citizen or non-citizen HAS been talking to someone who MAY be al qaeda, why the hell shouldn't that person be listened to?
<5> i do politics for a living. might as well hang out here.
<4> Tailor: No... its "may". The other question I've got about this program is how many levels out can the person of interest be?
<2> salstress, there isn't any 'may' about it, that's the basis of the liberal lie.
<4> IE, its really "Calling a person of interest". So there's not an ***ured link there.
<3> Tailor, well they are suspected al qaeda. they aren't proven al qaeda.
<2> Astrodog, no, it's not 'may', they are listening to those people because they ARE talking to terrorists.
<4> Tailor: They're listening to people who are contacting "persons of interest" in regards to terrorism.
<2> Astrodog, and the calls all stem from connections overseas.
<6> well I doubt they are listening anymore, since someone leaked the progam
<3> they are still listening.
<6> they should be investigating who leaked!
<2> They are
<7> what's one of those websites that masks your ip address?
<3> Astrodog, why do you have any problem with the program?
<5> the problem is, why dont we listen in->detain->execute, etc, anyone who may have al quaeda communiques->ties->sympathies, and by the way we get to decide in secret with no checks soo.. good luck
<3> yes they should be investigating the NYTimes and the democratic senators and the white house staffers.
<6> well I am off to work bye all :)
<4> A person of interest includes anyone who's been near a suspect. Even if they just took a **** at the same time, and were never in the same room, at any other time, that person becomes a "Person of Interest", because they could have been p***ed something, or all sorts of other stuff.
<4> sals: No judical oversight.
<2> Astrodog, nope, those aren't persons of interest, those are suspects.
<3> NeoSage, so you think listening in to a phone call between a person in the US and a suspected al qaeda operative oversease is equivalent to executing someone.
<3> right.
<2> "person of interest' is just a liberal buzzword borrowed from police
<4> Tailor: Its actually pretty specific.
<5> listening in/detain/execute you mean? and who is doing the suspecting?
<4> If we eat in the same resturant a few times, and you're suspected of committing a crime, I may be considered a person of interest.
<3> how the hell do you know that is the standard?
<3> you're making that up
<8> Astro is it a lousy resturant?
<4> sals: Person of interest just means people who might be ***ociated with a suspect.
<5> salstress, compare with soviet union/nazi tactics, executing stalin's 'enemies of state' or jew sympathizers.. with no checks or ties to democratically-deetrmined oversight mechanisms, we trend towards stalin/hitler
<4> sals: For example
<4> If TheTailor commits a crime.... Richard Simmons would be a person of interest.
<8> NeoSage Godwin's Law?
<5> ack.
<5> ok, julias cesar then
<5> or most of the popes
<5> kings, rulers of any nation. they all employed what we now decry. tyrrany has been the rule in history, not the exception. the terrorists want us to go back to the 12th century - no need to follow them.
<3> NeoSage that's ridiculous. You can't claim that listening to al qaeda phone calls is equal to the atrocities ***ociated with the word NAZI
<4> sals: I will say, I don't think there's any malicious intent with the program.
<4> I think its born of entirely good intentions.
<2> Astrodog, no, if a terrorist eats in a restaurant and you eat there, you wouldn't be considered a suspect unless you were talking to him, and that is typical liberal horse****, in short, a lie.
<8> I think that it all does depend on intent. but then, throughout our hsitory, the feds have had powers that could be abused and misuesed depending on intent
<5> i'm not. i gauge vectors of intent within bush admin relative to intent behind design of controls behind constitution of founding fathers
<8> look at the anit sedition laws preceeding WWI
<4> Tailor: Right. If you ate there a few times, while he ate there, you could be a person of interest though.
<8> the m*** deportation of German nationals
<4> What distinguishes a person of interest, from a suspect, is that the person of interest doesn't have to have committed a crime. They might just know something.
<5> i find discrepancy in intents
<8> it is a spagetti hose, and they both are pastafarians
<8> house
<8> both were touched by his noodly apendage
<8> now that would be neough to drag both in
<8> al hail the FSM
<5> gee, some terrorist's mother's cousin's uncle's sister in law's baby-sitter has a boyfriend who is getting a degree at UCLA and gets a phone call from his girlfriend back in france - off to guantanamo with him.
<5> Bush hasth decreed.
<2> Astrodog, no, that's a lie, simply eating there wouldn't make you a suspect.
<4> Tailor: I never said it would make you a suspect.
<2> Astrodog, persons of interest ARE 'suspects'.
<4> I said it could make you a person of interest, which is differnt than a suspect, because a person of interest hasn't nessisarily committed a crime, they might just know something.
<1> Love it when someone comes on here with a nick like *sage and begins to declare with great authority how the worlds works...Yipppie !!!
<4> A suspect is... *gasp*... someone who you suspect has committed a crime!
<9> blah
<2> Astrodog, and the point here is that liberal ***holes twist words to complicate the matter andcloud it, but the fact remains, there isn't a 'domestic spying' program.
<4> Tailor: It includes domestic spying, among other things.
<10> rond....parsley sage rosemary and thyme?
<2> Astrodog, there isn't any 'domestic' spying.
<1> <5>
<10> hahah Dems have new PAC called ImpeachPAC
<2> Astrodog, we spy on terrorists.
<10> <OutofThyme> :P
<4> Tailor: Listening in on the phone calls of citizens, who are within the US, seems domestic to me.
<5> ya, like cat stevens who was escorted off a plane forced down in greenland because he is a suspected terrorist cause his name is on a list 99.9999% of the people who use the list have no idea how it was compiled.
<2> Astrodog, first, you don't know they listened to ANY citizen.
<4> Neo: Everyone knows cats are evil.
<10> well Catty boy has changed a lot since the 70s
<2> Astrodog, but again, the liberal ***hole way of putting it is, well, a lie.
<4> Tailor: We don't know who they listened to.
<4> That's one of the problems. No oversight.
<5> ya, he goes by mohammed yousef - two of the most popular names in islam.
<2> Astrodog, if you don't know, ***hole, then don't state they listened in on citizens.
<10> Neo...the list was compiled from the CIA scanning the chip in your head for the people most likely to get a reaction out of you
<5> ban all John Smiths or Bob Jones from flying, see how far you get
<4> Tailor: They listened within the US, which still makes it domestic.
<10> Feh....I only fly the hostile skies if I need to
<2> Astrodog, listening to a call that originates overseas doesn't make it domestic.
<8> the easiest way to avoid havign a cell phone scanned: Don't use one
<5> Cryolas: unlikely, as I make sure the tin foil hat i wear is duct taped to my head all the time
<4> Tailor: Some originated here, to overseas, if I've been following it correctly.
<10> good...makes it easier for them to scan..improved reception :)
<5> ack
<2> Astrodog, and typically the ***hole way of spinning is to imply all this is done to American citizens, and to suggest that, even whe it's a LIE.
<8> ony a fool would cary on a secure conversation over a phone that broadcasts in the clear and hope it was nout listened to. but then most cell users, including terrorists are fools in this respect
<4> Tailor: Actually
<4> We don't know if its a lie or not, yet.
<2> Astrodog, and you are typically dishonest along with your leftist ilk.
<10> Dems need to see forest for trees though..if they are successful at impeaching Bush... President Cheney sounds a bit worse..
<4> Tailor: The real point here, is that outside of the executive branch, there's no oversight. So no one knows who was listened in on.
<2> Astrodog, unless you have proof that there was spying on citizens, saying there was that, is a LIE.
<10> President Jonathan Bull Cheney
<5> one does not need to be a flaming leftist liberal in order to believe in the checks and balances of the constitution
<8> I always thought about the funny one of how many cells sit in pockets, remotely turned on when super secret board meetings occur. Almost every participant is wired and has SOMEONE listening in
<4> Uh no. It makes it an ***umption.
<4> Not a lie.
<2> Astrodog, of course you have been lying so long, you wouldn't know truth if it bit you.
<4> A lie is false. We don't know if they listened in on citizens or not.
<2> Astrodog, and implyin g something when you don't know, is dishonest.
<4> Tailor: But not a lie.
<10> sigh,,,Bob this channel runs the gamut..
<10> with a small ruleset...
<8> leftist this is a commie hang out mainly
<2> Astrodog, and being dishonest is what leftist fools like you are all about.
<4> Tailor: You were lying, when you said my statement was a lie.
<8> except sunday
<4> By your standards.
<4> :P
<10> no adhoms.....no neo-nazi/equiv garbage.....and be prepared to back up what you say
<8> then the church goers show up
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