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<0> they're not explicitly political as such
<1> i was thinking pre-79
<0> they're historians, and in the case of people like Sabbagh, social critics as well.
<0> I've read about Iran, but not by any supporters of Khomeini
<1> social historians cross the line too many times imo
<0> erm.. meaning what
<1> but at least they admit their biases up front
<2> A History of the Arab Peoples - Albert Hourani <- would you recommend that one Timur ?
<1> historical accts shouldn't be venues for launching social critiques
<0> thu: yes
<0> sure they should
<0> there's a lot of overlap.
<2> Arabic Thought in the Liberal Age, 1798-1939 - Albert Hourani
<2> that one?
<2> http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=allproducts&searchstring=hourani&page=search&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 <- or, which three books would you recommend?
<0> yes
<0> that's a good one
<1> i wonder what % of muslims are in fact arabs
<1> why aren't indonesian muslims rioting?
<1> or african?
<0> about 95%
<1> well, egypt is africa
<0> they.. are
<1> indonesians?
<0> but the Arab Muslims are particularly problematic as a group
<0> yep
<2> indonesian muslims ARE rioting Timur
<0> and Thai Muslims too
<2> erhm Linus-
<0> thul: right
<2> quit eviolently
<2> too..
<1> i don't think that 95% figure is accurate
<0> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4684652.stm
<2> attacking the danish and the norwegian emb***y
<0> oh sorry
<1> since indonesia is the most populous muslim country
<0> 95% of Arabs are Muslims
<1> ok
<0> onl about 10% of Muslims are Arab
<1> that low? wow
<0> maybe 15%, but not much more
<1> of that, what % eat Mueslix? ;)
<0> 120 million Arabs; 400 million Muslims in India; 200 mil in Pakistan; 200 mil or so in Indonesia
<0> for exampel
<0> and then in China, another 40-80 million or so
<1> pakistan has 200 million people!?!
<3> http://www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/502.html
<4> http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=normalmumommod4op.jpg
<5> pakistan is the 4th or 5th most populous country
<0> yep
<1> every opicture i see of pakistan shows desolate mountains
<0> hey Shrimp
<0> Linus: check pix of Karachi.
<0> about 20 mil in that city alone, maybe more
<6> israel is set to buy some 25 JSF aircrafts
<1> whats the population of karachi?
<3> so what do you think about M3 being no longer published?
<6> F-35
<1> yes, but you'd need 10 cities that big
<1> pakistan is tiny
<0> Linus: well, apparently 14 mil in the city - but could well be more
<2> pakistan is the fastest growing country in the world, population wise
<6> i think syria is
<6> syria doubled its population in 20 years
<2> well, in my book it says pakistan:P but that is the last 5 years
<1> 147,663,429 (July 2002 est.)
<6> i am a syria expert
<3> look at polulation as a function of oil exprts
<7> now that ***ef shawkat is under severe pressure
<7> the entire syrian regime might collapse
<7> as there is no doubt shawkat is the strongest man in syria
<7> not bashar al ***ad
<5> Pakistan is 6th in population amoungst countries of the world
<3> what about israel?
<5> 160 million
<7> what about it
<1> 162,419,946 (July 2005 est.)
<3> Syria how many people in israel? how does sharon's development affect that?
<5> Pakistan has more ppl than mighty Russia
<1> 18,448,752 syrian pop
<1> compared to 162m in pakistan
<1> good grief
<3> YYZ if that is true, it partly explains why most pakistanis are so poor
<1> syria pop growth rate= 2.34% (2005 est.)
<7> israel has around 7 million
<7> or 6.5
<8> linus heya
<7> i dont remember
<8> syria going down
<8> caboom
<7> why
<3> then how can israel threaten so much?
<7> why
<3> they are so small
<8> terrorists
<5> israel: 6.2 million
<7> starfishy IDF policy is to relay on quality and not on quantity
<8> the head of syria is gay
<7> israeli manpower is far more sophisticated than the arab one
<9> Well
<7> in terms of technological and human development
<3> Syria quality? from where? do they make it themselves?
<9> That, and Isreal has manditory service.
<8> LSD come shoot me
<1> wow, the median age in pakistan is around 19.5
<1> in USA its 36.27 years
<7> the IDF does not relay on size
<7> its a tiny army actually
<8> lsd wich head?
<1> hi sting
<7> it has significant technological qualities though which make up for it
<10> 8==
<8> lol
<9> Syria: IDF relies mostly on the IAF. :P
<7> some are developed in israel
<10> >:D
<7> the others are imported
<7> mainly from america
<3> Syria where does it get it this 'quality'?
<11> my dad served in the IAF
<3> ooh
<3> from america
<0> Astro: they all rely on one another, including also the Navy, and intel services.
<9> Star: From us, and the Isrealis blow a ton of money on it.
<0> Linus: lots of humping.
<3> israel gets its quality and quantity from america? is that what you are saying?
<11> working with missiles
<7> but the americans just supply us with the same platforms they give egypt and saudi arabia :)
<9> Timur: The Isreali navy, like... every other ME Navy, is laughable. :P
<7> we improve them to be even better :)
<7> american pilots come to train in israel
<8> timur howdy
<7> etc
<7> lol
<3> hmm
<3> interesting
<0> Sting: hey
<9> Syria: Isreal has a few things they do very, very well. Though, they're utter **** at some things, too.
<0> Astro: enough for their needs.
<7> US gives us undeveloped platforms, we modify them beyond recognition, and then the americans buy it back and forbid us from selling them :)
<3> does israel affect american policy at all?
<8> syria are you in syria
<7> no
<7> i am in west jerusalem
<9> Timur: Enough to give the US Navy something to follow to where there's a problem.
<8> syria are you syrian
<9> Heh.
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