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<0> L0c0- those are the tame ones
<1> I just saw "Waiting"...it was a DAMN funny movie
<1> it reminded me of Super Troopers...one i never gave much credit to 'til i saw it
<2> kingemer: unlike you, I do not allow the "free will" as an excuse to stop evil from occuring
<1> then became one of my favs...Waiting is funny
<3> l0c0: my cl***mates worship that movie
<4> kingemer: do you believe that god has created all life, including pathogens?
<1> which one? Super Troopers?
<2> Adolf Hitler may be the resutl fo "free will".. but I sure as **** would have executed him if I could
<3> l0c0: yeah - they even have a picture of Farva on their door
<5> http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/25/iran12535.htm usa and iran pals?
<1> buy the "Super Troopers" dvd and listen to either of the 2 commentary tracks, they're hilarious, up there w/ kevin smith's stuff
<4> kingemer: in other words, how do you deal with the problem of "natural evil" in the form of pathogens, natural disasters, etc...
<3> l0c0: I will
<1> Swigert: yeah, i rented it one day and my friend and i saw it and were hooked
<2> e-hernic: they're not natural, in fact, god specifically created the universe that it would occur



<1> waiting is not as smart as super trooper (sad to say) but on the same level humor wise
<1> especially the end
<1> haha
<2> ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL???????
<3> l0c0: if I get my research trip in July, I'll go to NJ to see the clerks store again
<6> not here
<0> i hate Hank Jr
<3> baseball rules!!! YANKEES!!!!!!!
<4> Lup|ne: did noah keep some ebola on the arch :) ?
<7> e-Hernick: i believe that the trials we experience in this life, will refine us for the afterlife, which is our purpose for being here
<8> Football?
<6> I am sure Vegas is full up though
<0> Hank Jr. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hank Sr.
<3> The NY Yankees = the greatest sports franchise in the history of the world.
<4> kingemer: death by ebola is a trial?
<6> Baseball rules..in relation to the worth of the card
<2> whoa, look at all those terrible towels!
<9> YeeeeeAaaaaaaRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHhHHHHHHHHHHH!
<8> Hank gets drunk and we toss him out of the bar
<7> e-Hernick: i suppose so
<2> cry: bah.. the world series=who ever paid off the refs the most
<4> kingemer: do you believe that god created all life?
<2> if you have $50mill cash, you can buy the world series championship
<6> Lup|ne...I don't think so...
<6> The Black Sox scandal made for a lot of reforms
<1> Swigert: i'd love to go to Red Bank to see it
<1> man
<1> i went to WalMart earlier to pickup my prescription
<10> GO SEAHAWKS!
<1> it was a madhouse in there
<3> l0c0: I was there about 4 years ago
<2> wow, John Madden was voted to the hall of fame yesterday? I would have thought he was in there along time ago
<7> e-Hernick: i beleive that he managed the creation of life, not nessesarily each individual form as it is today
<1> Lup|ne: i think he was inducted as a commentator
<2> king: but he KNEW exactly how it would be today
<7> Lup|ne: right
<2> and when he was deciding of all the myriad of possible outcomes, he chose this one. it was locked in stone all those billions of years ago
<4> kingemer: so you believe that individual species have evolved on their own, without divine intervention? For example, new deadly pathogen strains evolved on their own, from managed seeds which god knew would become deadly and kill millions?
<1> Lup|ne: actualy my bad...this was it
<3> i didnt know Hank Williams JR was injured in an accident
<4> kingemer: for example, god knew that he set in motion a chain of evolution that would end up in the black plague?
<1> Lup|ne: surprising
<2> e-hermick: god is even more knowledgeable than that.. he knew exactly how the man would rape the little girl.. down to the last milimeter of insertion per second.. down to her very last scream.. god knew exactly how it would happen.. and, he choose not to stop it
<6> e-hernick..I do
<1> UTEP has 1 player in the NFL hall of fame
<1> well, Texas Western
<2> l0c0: i thought madden was like the #3 or #4'th all time winning coach of all time
<4> Lup|ne: in fact, he designed things precisely so that the little girl would be raped in that particular way?
<2> e-hernick: absolutely, there was no other outcome.. "free will" or no "free will"
<6> rats + fleas + dirty humans + a little mutation = The Black Plague
<2> as god's knowledge of the future is infiniate
<7> e-Hernick: im sure he knew it would happen as a result of what he did, but i dont care to speculate as to the the reasons
<7> e-Hernick: i dont believe he designed things for the purpose of a girl geting raped
<2> king: the _reasons_ are irrelevent.. just as the _reasons_ for the holocaust do not determine its evil
<6> Fundie ****head + semi Trailer + several deadly mutagenic smaples = Next attack on USA
<2> king: yet he could have created reality differently, so she wouldn't be raped
<4> kingemer: well, the rape is nothing compared to hundreds of millions who die of the bubonic plague and the spanish flu.. they suffered far more than the little girl
<4> kingemer: so, you agree that your god has set things in motion so that hundreds of millions will suffer horrible, horrible deaths for no apparent reason?
<7> e-Hernick: not for no apparent reason
<7> as i stated earlier, i believe we are to grow from our trials
<7> whatever they might be



<4> so there is a purpose for millions of babies that die from disease?
<2> king: well, if god wanted to, we could grow without evil
<2> there is no reason why teh girl had to be raped, if god wanted it
<7> Lup|ne: trials, or just evil along?
<2> e-herinick: that's easy.. god is a sadistic ****.. and he seeded the means for his perpetual *********ion
<2> every time a girl is raped.. god jacks off and cums
<7> er.. alone
<4> kingemer: do you believe in hell?
<7> e-Hernick: a form of hell, yes
<2> to me, if the christian god exists.. hell is irrelevent
<4> kingemer: how do you know that there is one god and it is your god?
<4> (and that there is no god but your god)
<7> e-Hernick: funny you should mention that. i dont believe that my God is the only god
<4> ah
<4> you are polytheistic?
<4> or you believe in "many faces of one god, revealed to many men" ?
<11> I'm not, e-Hernick.
<11> I'm god-free.
<4> Necrosan: are you a godless apostate?
<7> e-Hernick: not exactly. i believe that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are each gods
<2> kingemer: so, when a little girl is raped.. who cums first?
<4> kingemer: what do you make of YHWH and Allah?
<12> kingemer that would be polytheistic then
<4> kingemer: false gods?
<7> but that our god, the one that many major religions worship, is the god of this world
<12> polythieism = belief in more than on god
<4> kingemer: so you believe that your god is the god of judaism, christianity and islam?
<12> one*
<2> heh.. Joe Nameth looks like such a used-car-salesman
<7> e-Hernick: essentially, yes
<2> LAME.. seatle seahawk fans are waving green towels
<4> kingemer: then.. how do you know that you are worshiping god in the right way? how do you know that your religion is the right religion? if many religions worship the same god, which is the right religion?
<2> LAME!!!!!!
<11> e-Hernick: More like a faceless monolith with atheistic views.
<2> e-hernick: i refuse to worship a god who is not worthy
<2> oh jesus, this intro-music is so lame
<4> Necrosan: do you have faith that there is no god, or do you admit that there might be a god, and that you can't know for sure?
<7> e-Hernick: i believe that the prophet of my church recieves divine revelation
<7> and the Holy Ghost has testified of that to me
<2> e-hernick: I have not found any god worthy of worship
<11> e-Hernick: I don't believe in anything that has the "power" to create as the usual christian god is.
<11> I believe that there may be other beings with intelligence beyond humans, but that's about it.
<4> kingemer: is your prophet long dead? If yes, do you not receive your belief from preachers? Also, many other prophets have claimed to represent the god you believe in. How can you be sure that you have chosen the right prophet and preacher?
<7> e-Hernick: no, he is alive and kicking
<4> Necrosan: do you admit that you are unable to know for sure if there is a supreme being that has, for example, created the universe?
<2> oh god.. aaron neville ****s big time, singing the star spangled banner
<4> kingemer: who is your prophet?
<11> e-Hernick: I don't believe that.
<2> DIE DIE DIE
<11> I'm more of a follower of the whole big bang theory.
<2> LAME!!!
<11> I guess I look at the more scientific sides of things.
<4> Necrosan: but isn't it a possibility that a supreme being has set the big bang in motion?
<11> e-Hernick: No.
<11> Not at all.
<7> e-Hernick: i have felt the spirit affirm my belief in the church and the prophet
<7> e-Hernick: Gordon B. Hinckley
<2> e-hernick: yea, its all a big phallac symbole
<4> kingemer: you're a mormon ?
<7> e-Hernick: yep
<4> kingemer: were you born into the LDS?
<2> oh jeeze.. this is one of the ****iest star-spangle banner songs of all time
<7> e-Hernick: yes
<4> Necrosan: how can you know for sure that there is no god?
<2> e-hernick: i know that there is no moral god that is worthy of my worship and devotino
<13> Is that a manatee singing the anthem?
<4> kingemer: if you had been born into the fold of another church, do you believe that you would have found your way into the LDS?
<11> e-Hernick: Just take my word for it.
<2> vayna: that was pure ****.. jeesu
<13> I just caught the end...it hurt
<7> e-Hernick: i dont know, for sure
<7> i dont believe you need to recieve the gospel in this life to be saved
<7> but given the opportunity, you may as well start early :-P
<4> kingemer: if you had been born in say, the catholic faith, in a deeply religious family, with a strong religious upbringing.. chances are, you'd be a devout catholic today, and you'd believe as strongly in the catholic faith as you do in the mormon faith today. Do you agree with this possibility?


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