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<0> Doobs...nope
<1> Cry: indeed
<2> although they are close to capacity now i think.
<1> and so is the response of the unruly mob banal
<0> Adolf provides a universal measuring stick..
<2> I believe in war for oil as a last resort.
<3> Free: the relations between the people of the US and the people of Venezuela should not be held hostage by idiots in charge
<1> I believe in immediate occupation of the Persian Gulf
<0> Hitler needs to be remembered..not forgotten
<0> Timur..you may get wish...
<3> why should I care if Chavez insults Bush?
<2> ocDoc I agree but if Venezuela cuts us off at the same time Iran does for political reasons to harm us I consider a hostile act which could (Note could) not would, Could warrant military response from us.
<4> i must say, the rolling stones were a major disappointment, they ****ed big time
<0> I am for taking Saudi Arabia myself
<2> I obviously would choose that as the very last step
<0> Lupine..lol..all things considered...
<4> FT: what is the export percentage of venezuela to the US?
<5> Cryolas: I would argue that he doesnt. I've never found the accusation of being "like hitler" or "worse than hitler" to be anything but bombastic and hysterical hyberbole, even from people who argree with my politics. Of course hitler will be remembered historically, nothing is more remember, but its almost always a ridiculous comparison in argument
<0> Watts has to be pushing 70
<3> Free: we threatened to cut Japan off from their oil supplies before world war two
<2> I have always supported Saudi Arabia more than about anyone on the channel for the very reasons of our strategic economic relations with them and our good relations with the kingdom over the years.
<0> Doobs....tell that to the Iranian prez..who denies the holocaust
<4> OcDoc: perhaps.. but Japan had been at war with China for ~10 years already
<3> Free: I say if no one wants to sell us oil we find some other way to make do and never EVER buy oil from them again
<1> at what cost
<0> FT...they are the enemy...they fund the terrorists
<5> Cryolas: Hitler certainly wouldnt deny the holocaust
<1> we should just rule them directly, and stop allowing them to make demands on us
<0> they play arsonist/firefighter
<6> i dont think cutting off oil is an actively hostile act
<2> We have helped rid them of a lot of the financing of terrorists they were doing unknowingly and we have told them that sticking there head in the sand wont stop the terrorists they have to join us or else and they have joined us.
<0> Doobs..and once Hitler is pushed under the rug....
<3> we have plenty of oil right here and if we can't buy it elsewhere we tell the enviro freaks to sit down and shut up
<0> Saudi still pays off terrorists...
<3> kingemer: of course it's a hostile act ... but it is not a violent one
<5> I'm not suggesting we push him under the rug, as if such a immense historical figure could ever be, I'm just saying that comparing people to hitler his trite, cr***, and almost always a bad comparison
<3> and should not be met with violence
<0> Riddle: Whats the difference between a Wahhabist and a Taliban?
<0> Answer: There is one?
<2> OcDoc, I am not an idylist like you but I understand it (Idealist).. I would justify war for oil if people cut us out of the market.. Not for prices, but for cutting us out to hurt us intentionally
<4> OcDoc: make a medical note: bottle of 1980 Warres porto
<4> GO GO GO GO
<2> Any act to harm us intentionally to me is an act of aggression
<4> he could go ALL THE WAY!!
<4> PITSBURGH 70 YARDS TOUCHDOWN!!!
<1> ad.. they haven't, really.
<2> Trade, or otherwise.
<1> *and
<0> Lupine whats score??
<4> 13-3
<4> man, what a run!!!!!!!!
<0> Squealers in lead
<3> FreeTrade: I suspect you're not alone
<1> Cryolas: the Taliban are in Afghanistan, and are influenced by the Wahabbis, who are based in and funded from Saudi Arabia
<2> For years when we had problems usually Saudi Arabia helped us out, we have a good relationship with them we should maintain it.
<4> OcDoc: what would that BAC be, for a ~205lbs male?
<0> they missed kick on first TD..or issat 2 FGs
<4> 14-3!!!
<2> Saudi Arabia is not aware of its drastic mistakes.
<0> as I said..what difference
<3> Lupine: there's a chart somewhere on line
<6> OcDoc: right, but i wouldnt consider it actively hostile. but i suppose that term is pretty subjective
<2> But Islamic radicalism is not limited to Saudi Arabia
<2> in fact Bin Ladens ideology comes from Egypt
<1> they're not aware, but they're changing things without being aware of what or why?
<1> hm
<0> FT...Saudi cut a deviuls deal... the sheik gets the oil revs..the Wahhabists run the country
<5> the Sauds are wierd...religiously radical and yet cynical and pragmatic
<0> they have a 25% illiteracy rate there
<4> ocdoc: what is the rate of consuming alchohol per hour? 1 serving per hour?
<0> Doobs...not hard to ascertain the makeup of a sheik despot
<1> reminds me of Syriana
<3> Lupine: I don't know it off the top of my head
<5> you can process 1-2 drinks an hour, depending on weight/genetics
<7> I'm going to watch Munich tonight
<6> i wouldnt kill someone over oil, unless it was my oil, and i wouldnt expect someone else to do it for me
<3> and experience ... induction of the P-450 system speeds detox of ethanol
<2> Cryolas, I know a guy who advised the late king on investment. and i have met some of their ruling cl***. Basically guys who are pragmatic who want to do business with us while leading kind of a double life with their peasants being taught nonsense and the government staying out of it, but a late player who comes to our side is better than no player.
<1> Herz: lemme know what you think
<1> I think it's worse than 'nonsense'
<2> And on oil we have a strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia for a very long time.
<5> I thought munich was okay....didnt have much of a message though
<0> FT...Saudi is not a plaer...they are the enemy...seize Saudi...cut off terrorist funding
<1> it's more like 'hateful invective upon which many people actually act, bringing us the bombings of the USS Cole, 9/11, etc'
<3> I don't expect my allies to be perfect ... it's not my biz
<0> The Yemenis are no better
<2> Doobs, you arent that far off, the kinddon is pragmatic, they were too pragmatic with the terrorists trying not to upset them but not liking them except a couple royal family member not jobs.
<1> the Yemenis don't have oil in any quantity, if any
<1> pragmatic..
<2> Cryolas, From where is your perspective derived ?
<0> Ironically...that is the only part of the ME that ever had any sort of communist government
<4> hmm... 750ml=25.4ounces.. at 1.5ounces of 80 proof per serving, that is 17 servings of alchohol?
<0> Freetrade....9/11 bombers many were from Saudi...
<1> I don't really know what 'pragmatic' means
<1> if they're still sending money to HAMAS and other terrorists
<2> My perspective is from close ties to the saudi king and royal family and knowlege of all the times saudis have boosted oil production for our benefit. while others were pressurring us with less oil
<0> oall of them were trained in Madr***as that Saudi Arabia built and funded..
<5> lup: something like that. I think a liter is about 20 servings
<2> Cryoklas, Bin Laden could of ordered 12 Egyptians..
<0> all these madr***a turn out are mujihadeen fodder
<1> and still brainwashing their people with a hatred of the West, and Christians and Jews
<4> according to this, I have had 25 servings of alchohol since lunch.. and just opened a new bottle of porto.. ~8 servings
<1> could HAVE ordered. but he didn't.
<2> He ordered 12 Saudis for the very purpose of influencing people like you to hate Saudi Arabia
<0> Wahhabism has as much tolerance inherent as the Taliban...
<2> The 1993 bombing was Egyptica
<2> Egyptian
<8> the saudis are evil primitive barbarians
<2> Bin Laden could of used 12 Morrocans and Morroco is a moderate Arab nation
<7> I'd say thats a pretty fair ***essment
<1> yeah, because otherwise they're such great allies.
<4> FT: right, at the time, Saudi was our greatest allies in the area
<7> The govenrment anyways
<8> americs dirties herself by being their friends
<1> because they're so pragmatic
<5> lupine: dont you find it alarming when youve had like 30 drinks or so and you are still walking around and talking to people? I do.
<0> Saudi Arabia builds and funds Madr***a for the sole purpose of turning out Q'uarn sokaed cannon fodder..
<0> that is a fact...
<9> 1993 WTV bombing?
<2> Lupine, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, and the ARab Emirates.
<1> Cry: well, among other reasons
<2> for oil
<1> but that's clearly one
<0> it aslo is a fact that they were paying Y***er every month...
<2> For other reasons we have good relations with Jordan and Egypt
<0> Saudi and the countries there do NOT want a Palestinian homeland,....
<4> Well, according to this, I have a BAC of .36.. but I doubt that is true
<2> Im not denying Saudi Arabia ****ed up big time.
<1> and still is
<0> a sellted Palestine would cause unrest in their countries..
<1> and probably will be for some time
<4> where is rusty? i need to raze him :-)
<2> But i am saying they are one of our most important allies right now both on the war on terror and for economic stability
<5> how much do you weigh? over 200?
<8> saudi arabia are evil
<4> doobs around 205
<2> I wouldnt be pissing them off as long as they cooperatee
<8> evil
<9> The 1993 WTV bombing, Yosef carried an Iraqi p***port.
<1> question is, are they cooperating
<9> WTC
<0> Jordan I trust as much as Saudi..Egypt only slightly more
<8> we are talking 'lock girls in a burning school' evil
<1> in fact, given the past history, are they even able to
<3> The leaders of the House of Saud are not nice guys, they are in power and they mean to keep it, and they do not hesitate to say whatever they think they can get away with at the moment
<8> you cant defend that
<1> to the degree encessary
<1> nec*
<5> lupine: dunno man, just drink a ton of water when you've had enough. but I'm sure you know that
<0> a nation that plays both sides of a coin can not be trusted
<4> Freetrade: of course, they kicked out entire military presence out
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