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<0> Did you know that ?
<0> French jews didnt want to be exiled because there was a "Jewish state"
<1> Free: yes, I know that Jews *not* in Eastern Europe who *weren't* facing pogroms and didn't know the Holocaust was coming did believe that.
<0> and so forth.
<1> but I also know that the Eastern European Jews did. Et voila.
<1> that's why my great aunt went in 1920.
<2> Timur what did we do now? lol
<1> Rebec: who? :)
<0> Did you know Mossad was instructed not to bring the holcaust Jews to Israel because thy were weak and could not do much work and would cost too much to care for ? That they should recruit young healthy jews ?
<1> Free: no, they were instructed not to bring the weak ones, because it was a warlike situation there, because of your friends, the Arabs.
<0> European Jews at that.
<3> hm
<0> No
<2> Timur I am teasing you, you know my grandfather's mother's family were Jews from Russia
<1> see, sick and aged people aren't that useful in wartime.
<3> **** Durbin
<0> The letters state the reasons why, Because they couldnt build literally the country
<1> and at that point, the US was finally letting Jews in. Right on time; thanks a lot.
<1> that's right
<0> And they sought out the strong, the young and the rich and the better educated.
<0> Einstein they tried hard to get to move there, he woudlnt.
<1> because it was barbarous and backwards because of the Ottomans and the disorganized rabble of the Palestinian Arabs.
<4> Publius spell that correctly....**** Durtbin
<3> LOL
<1> crazy that a country would want healthy and wealthy people
<4> welcoe Nikie unit ;)
<5> :P
<1> not sure where you're going with this, honestly
<1> maybe nowhere
<1> to prove you read a book? ok
<3> Cryolas: I don't know much 'bout him...he's making a speech on the senate floor thats rational and makes our public edu look good
<1> I've read dozens, but I'm not going to provide an endless litany of facts from them
<4> **** Durbin is a piece of ****
<0> The fact is i seem to know about as much as you do only I dont as much about the religion or the actual people because you belong to that culture and I dont. Like I have said a million times I have no dog in that fight. My dog has a fight in Iraq, and yet i realize I wont fully understand the consequences of my war for at least 50 years if that, I may well die before its properly understood in the context of world history.
<4> last time he made a speech of that sort...
<4> it was the same as the moveon.org doctrince
<4> thuse his **** was in the durtbin
<4> brb
<3> but...he's talking about how the 20th century is the American century
<1> you 'seem' to know to yourself as much as others, because what defines 'seem' to you is a very small base indeed. a peanut that sees a world of peanuts can't account for, say, an apple.
<0> But the good thing with lacking much emotion like myself, is you are open to explore unpopular ideas and accept or reject them based on the truth and the facts and supporting documents rather than any belief system I have.
<1> I'm open to them but don't necessarily have to buy them all.
<1> it's easy to lack emotion when you lack information
<3> LOL
<3> Now he's just gone off the deepend
<3> jeez
<1> it's also easy to become emotional when you have or don't have information
<0> Nor do I, I only buy what is reasonable sensible and is supported by evidence and is obvious. Its obvious that all men in the plural have more than one facet.
<1> so, really, there's no correlation.
<1> ok, truisms
<0> Timur, then why is it you become so emotional and i dont ?
<1> I think you do; as I recall, you told me to 'shut the **** up'
<0> Why is it I cant simply reccomend 2 books to someone without you coming unhinged.
<0> Hes smart enough to judge the books himself.
<1> I'm not unhinged; I'm countering your ***ertions, which have a severely limited basis, with my own knowledge on this topic, which is greater.
<1> that's called discussion
<1> I mean, I could take the view that who cares, if you aren't knowledgeable, and don't want any more, then why bother
<6> I've never known timur to be be baseless
<0> I didnt make an ***ertion, I said in essence, thanks for the reccomendations and sense i note this guy also wrote a book on the middle east let me make a couple reccomendations of which I did, I didnt tell him they would be the bible of truth.
<1> you've made many ***ertions; one is that Segev's book is somehow the best book to read about the area, when in fact 1. it isn't, and 2. it presupposes a significant amount of prior knowledge to effectively asess
<0> I suggested them because I felt it would be a very could understanding of Palestine history from one authors research and perspective having immigrated to Israel.
<0> good not could
<0> It is the best book I have read on naked Israeli History
<0> that is there is no claims of right or wrong. just the story, every individual has to define what it means to them.
<1> and that's an opinion, but not one that stands up to much better works, especially ones that provide a richer and deeper background, especially as regards the two main dynamics involved, being: 1. the history of the Ottoman Empire, esp from 1800-on, and 2. the Jews in Europe, from the Enlightenment on.
<6> Palestinians should have their own governance, and in the future it would be very profitable to deal directly with israel. this is the gamble
<0> Because he doesnt try to define it, He just lays out the history from more than one perspective
<0> And as I said his citations speak for themselves as well as his endorsements
<1> he lays out some history in his own way, but that's not the totality of it, nor an adequate understanding of it.
<1> so do the critiques of his work
<0> Timur your notion that your books are better is also simply an opinion.
<7> ha .. drudge has a video of mckinney's bodyguard threatening a reporter
<1> better than what?
<8> Comet yeh
<7> claiming to be a cop "I'm gonna put your *** in jail"
<6> Palestine the country, will be very well situated in the future..
<8> ****s hitting the gan
<8> dude tried to say he wasa cop
<1> no, my notion is that some books and some authors and some ideas are better than others is one that's generally held among scholars, and for a reason; or set of reasons.
<0> He welcomed critiques of his work, much more so than did the old mythological historians.
<7> I hope for his sake that he really is a cop.
<8> jibber no he said "I am going to put your *** in chains"
<8> i heard that
<7> otherwise he is going to find his *** in jail for impersonating an officer
<1> he might welcome them; fine. That doesn't mean that he's right and the critics are wrong, however.
<0> Comet, I hope he isnt and she and him get crucified
<8> he should be charged
<0> Timur nor does it mean hes wrong. As you are convinced
<8> stop ****ing around with this lady
<7> check out drudge .. he has a direct link to the video of it
<6> Timur: what percentage of the kinesset is arab, or arab majority ?
<7> www.drudgereport.com
<8> put a butt in it now
<8> arrest her and her aughntarage
<0> Why dont you just get off it, I am going to continue to reccomend this author to everyone who comes to me and asks me for a god book on the history of the Palestinians conflict
<1> fine
<1> go ahead
<0> Why dont you just get off my back and stop book burning.
<1> and I'll recommend the dozens of better works and authors I've read
<0> These people are quite intelligent enough to form their own opinions
<9> Paul (Dave) Gaubatz, a former U.S. Federal Agent (Arabic linguist/counter-terrorist specialist) who was deployed to Iraq at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. His mission was to search for WMDs. Four sites he identified were not searched by ISG (Iraq Survey Group) and he has waged a three year battle to get them searched. He is currently the Chief Investigator with the Dallas County Medical Examiner, Dallas, TX.
<1> yeah, I'm book burning because I don't place him on a pedestal
<3> LOL
<8> we are the world
<8> all on the sidewalk
<3> she hired a "bodyguard"
<1> FT: it's not about intelligence, but knowledge, from my perspective.
<0> No you ***hole, you are book burning because you are telling people not to read him.
<0> something I would never say to you
<1> ah, that almost sounds emotional
<9> "The most accurate intelligence is what is initially obtained by ground intelligence officers. The intelligence myself and other Agents obtained on the ground never reached our President or Congress. The intelligence they eventually received was so diluted and politically scrubbed, that it was often far from the original intelligence we received," Paul (Dave) Gaubatz.
<0> No ***hole is not emotional its how you are acting.
<8> we are the ones who make a squishy mess so watch where you walk....
<1> I'm telling people that he shouldn't be taken as definitive; not to not read him.
<7> man she was hoofiing it up those steps as fast as her big behind would allow her to go
<0> and I am not the only one who sees you when you act this way.
<1> haha
<1> ok, then other people are emotional too. I'm not calling names, mind you.
<8> Timur man
<8> dude
<8> you remind me of Cartman's mom
<0> Your arrogance and your emotion is famous on this channel.But it does not flatter you. A little humility would do you a world of good.
<2> hemi lol
<8> you should be burned at the stake
<8> cartman is a "secret jew"
<8> no one knows
<10> fatmia mernissi is a joke
<8> stanleys mom ****ed your dad
<8> and that means you area jew
<10> anyone read the size six harem ? enough said.
<1> Free: I'm not arrogant, but people who don't have my knowledge base yet choose to think they do on this specific topic might percieve me as arrogant
<1> which of course is their right
<11> so where does he say "I'm a police officer"?
<0> hahahahahaha
<1> but that doesn't make the disparity any less real.
<3> double play!
<12> Timur-: i'd say that you're most certainly arrogant
<1> Zaw: ok, fine
<0> A contradiction of terms of one sentence.
<1> if it helps, I feel the same about you. <3
<8> Timur
<8> you know what i like about you/./
<8> ?
<8> for being so freakin STUPIT, you make me look smart
<0> Timur, I dont claim to know what it is like to be a jew and never would but that has nothign to do with this entire topic other than its the basis of your bias.
<8> which is cool
<1> no, see, arrogance means n : overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors [syn:
<8> works for me
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