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<0> Men who by todays standards would be impeached and in prison perhaps.
<1> well, ****....
<2> Free: you don't have the standing to judge my historical scholarship, sorry
<2> so judge away; it's meaningless.
<2> no, he's not.
<0> History in Israel is politics, and history in Israel has an increased tension and importance. That's why these people were called "new historians," but I think they were really the first historians. In the meantime, we have new historians. These are the ones who proved that we, the first historians, were wrong, or argue with us, or say, "Well, it's really not that bad." They have more documents, and so on.
<3> hi dedannan
<0> Hes even modest
<1> howdy Rebec
<0> acknolweging his own humanity and errors which will be pointed out in his work by newer historians over time.
<4> ohhhhhh!!!!
<4> Cynthia McKinnney is toast
<4> bye bye
<2> acknowledging his own humanity.. so others aren't human? :)
<4> she is done
<2> Free; and yes, he is speaking mostly to Israeli education, i.e. the founding ideas upon which Israeli society is based.
<2> and if I'm not an historian by avocation, I'm far more of one than you
<4> Timur, its funny the majority of the people who preach evolution are jewish=)
<2> but it's such an easy and obvious target, never mind
<4> or of Jewish decent
<5> Kerry is crapping out his mouth in a senate debate
<5> ugh
<2> Rusty: so most high school bio teachers.. are Jewish ? methinks not!
<6> Publius yo
<3> Publius hey
<2> Rusty: well, good thing some people remember that thing called 'the Enlightenment' and 'Reason'
<4> Timur no i am talking about Jack Horner
<5> heyooo
<4> darwin
<7> Timur lol
<6> Publius what is kerry up to
<4> the majority of bone diggers
<7> another Publius relation...
<0> Timur, Dont insult me, You dont know that you are more of a historian than I.
<7> Vasilios
<0> In fact I doubt it.
<5> "how many parents had to buy their kids armor"
<5> ahahahaha
<4> mostly evolutionary scientists are of jewish decent
<0> You are more arrogant and you hold yourself on a pedestal.
<7> Publius for modern day US edu system
<2> FT: I do.
<4> hate to say it but its true+)
<2> especially on this particular issue, or anything relating to the Ottomans, or the Middle East more generally.
<7> ok Junior,...ablative kevlar shielding...check mom! RPG? check mom
<0> Timur, tell me about the history of the subduction zone off the coast of washington on the southern side.
<4> people who talk about global warming as doctors are jewish
<0> Timur, You are more obviously biased on the middle east thats for sure..
<2> it's not an 'insult' to say I know more about some things than you; nor is it insulting that you know more about subduction zones than I
<4> microbiologists
<5> Cryolas: the statement...how many parents had to buy their kids armor" is inflammatory and henious
<4> jewish
<2> FT: so are you. $70,000 from Saudi Arabia says so.
<8> Cryolas: yes ?
<7> in the olden days...the knight would earn their armor
<4> i dont' see anything wrong with it myself
<5> regardless of my knowledge of kevlar shielding or...
<4> its just the way it is
<7> Publius..I was making jest of yer comment ;)
<4> as my wife says, jewish people place more on education than other cultures
<5> I can fire rpg's too!
<9> lol
<0> Israels laws would be unconstitutional in the USA, which I have never complained about because it isnt the USA, But you act as if its a perfect land, Its a militaristic country which lives in a constant state of fear of war, and death, and its a country which is for jewish people not all people. And a country which most jews have rejected as a home.
<4> NWN is awesome
<4> i have actually been thinking about getting back into Everquest
<7> FT you were boen in Israel..or just educated there??
<8> most jews have rejected ?
<0> And you dont even have the guts to live there, And yet its an idealized state in your mind.
<2> no, I don't act as if it's perfect. It's faced with enormous challenges which the US doesn't and won't face, and thus isn't really comparable, which is why the idea that ' Israels laws would be unconstitutional in the USA' is silly to begin with.
<7> NWN = Ever Fiv It Nights
<7> Fix
<0> Yoru bias is extreme
<4> hahha Cry
<4> i have been wondering if thats you or not
<2> it's a militaristic country by necessity, not by choice.
<4> now i know=)))
<7> EverCrack is ok...if you intend to use it as profit vehicle
<2> the Arabs are also militaristic, but for them it's by choice.
<0> Why should the US Face Israels challenges they are made by israel in part
<2> at least more so
<7> I am CryHavoc
<4> Cry hehehe, the game ****s now
<2> huh?
<2> that doesn't even make sense.
<4> its toast
<0> Why did the founding fathers of Israel not take peave when the arabs were willing ?
<4> put a fork in it
<0> Peace that is
<7> Everquest?? how so
<2> when did the Arabs prove 'willing to make peace'?
<5> Evacrack!
<7> why is EQ toast??
<4> i remember when they had 1 million people
<0> Because in the writings of the government which are uncl***ified, they felt they could get more land first.
<2> and how valid of a claim was that?
<0> And that it would be better to make peace later in history
<4> then they had 500.000
<2> Free: because they didn't trust them either, perhaps
<2> gee, wonder why
<0> Now its harder to make peace
<7> how many do they have now?
<2> not as if events haven't proven them right
<4> now they are lucky to have 50 grand
<0> Timur thats not what the archives of the founding fathers wrote
<7> why do you think that happened?
<2> that ***umes the offer was valid
<0> they believed by their own handwriting that peace was obtainable then
<2> Free: which archives; which example; which year; what were the circumstances/
<2> an example would be helpfu
<5> FF XII comes out in like 4 days
<0> Btu they believed it was not in their interest to seek peace then.
<2> wait, so you're speaking of 1948? or what
<2> or is this just a factless rant
<7> hello Nikie unit
<10> crayon boy, do u know wrap around in excel?
<0> Timur, the writings of the founding fathers, I cant remember all their names but they comprised the government at the time.
<7> in separate cells??
<10> yes
<7> what version?
<0> You want to know the names, read 1949 by Segev
<10> hmm
<2> Free: so some of their writings stated this; did all of them state this? how consistent and tenable was this view? was it maintained? or what.
<2> see, these are kind of relevant questions.
<0> he will cite the documents the authors and tell you where you can find the originals.
<10> cry, i dont know
<7> click help then about
<10> its already installed when i bought this laptop
<10> ok
<2> but if one is just interested in establishing the idea of 'bad bad Israel', one wouldn't ask those questions.
<10> 2004
<0> Timur, did you know in 1914 the majority of world jews at least in the opinion of leading jewish authorities did not want zionism.
<11> yo
<0> Or did you learn that from em ?
<7> one sec
<0> Chaim Weizman or whatever his name is or spelled.
<0> Learn that from me I mean
<0> t
<2> Free: I don't buy that, and in any case, hundreds of thousands did, especially those victimized by Eastern European pogroms, which not coincidentally was where the majority of the first 2 aliyot were from.
<5> waahahahaha
<2> sorry, haven't learned anything new in this convo
<5> wtf man
<0> They had good reason too, they felt it would encourage anti-semitism, they also believed in a zionism of the faith and not a physical place.
<0> Did you know that ?
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