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<0> hehhe
<0> not to mention what gets funnled to "unknown ops"
<1> hm.. why are these wars fought if not for financial income?
<0> wiretapp and i tottaly support the "unknown ops"
<2> hyperion realism run amuck
<0> hehhe
<3> Well It would of gone no futher (The conversation on the middle east) had not Timur jumped in and ***ailed th4e book for its revisionism.
<0> i love the guys who can do that cool **** like james bond+)
<3> well The early documents of Israel were cl***sified so of course its revisionism based on new facts..
<4> `426-Hemi you mean be upright actors?
<4> uptight*
<0> anyone can revision
<5> so this comprehensive tentative agreement
<0> we do it everyday
<0> when we read the constitution
<0> hehehe for those of us who read the constitution
<5> does it do anything to bolster border security? or is it just happy lipservice to court hispanic voters?
<5> speaking of the constitution
<6> its not really comprehensive, i dont think it deals with the security issue at all
<6> which is what the house bill does
<0> you know what would happen if we tried to annex Israel?
<0> it would be awesome
<5> you guy see that these immigration protest organizers are telling people to leave their Mexican flags at home and to carry American flags instead?
<0> jews and islamics would see us as invaders
<6> at least not yet anyways
<4> L0c0 a good call
<0> no joke
<2> hard to annex a nuclear armed nation
<5> hehe...damn right..make them aware that their freedom of speech is an American right, not a mexican right
<0> they would be united in their cause to kill the occupiers
<3> Revisionism is not a dirty word, We used to think all cowboys were good and all Indians were bad.. OK, There comes a time in the nationalism of a nation that people admit and accept not only the greatness which they created but the bad they did in the process.. Thats revisionism, As if revisionism by itself is a dirty word.
<1> israel is annexed by the US right now.. pretty much ;P
<6> some 3-tier system to decide what to do with illegals
<3> Deconstructionist revisionism is a dirty worrk, but this is revisionism based on a dirth of facts which are cited through out.
<4> L0c0 on a local NPR show today they claimed that the fastest growing segment of latinos in the US are latinos who don't speak spanish (ie: english-only immigrants)
<0> revisionism to me is a sin to the people who have died in the past
<5> KoBushi: i talked to my students about it last friday (b/c we were on a sort of lock-down) and they just had no clue. this one kid said "i'm gonna walk out because I have family in mexico"
<4> and/or immigrant's children/grandchildren
<7> hyperion, if you say so. I think they've been pretty independant from the begining
<5> Kobushi: i said "who cares. are theyplanning on coming to the US illegally?" he said "no" 'well then there's ntohing to worry about.."
<0> we haev to remember that quotes and words of the fores, are not set in stone and are not known generally in what context of conversation they were place
<0> placed
<3> Rusty, Ok we should keep believing all the Indians were stupid savages, and that the Negros were good for nothing but Slavery and that they traped white women on cocaine and heroin.
<0> there for
<5> then i broke down the bush/kenndy-mccain/sensenbrenner plans for them
<0> you can not and should not revision
<5> they knew nothing...pathetic imo...bunch of angry hispanics that don't know why they're angry
<6> < 2 years they have to leave...2-5 years, they have to leave temporarily and can apply for a -temporary- guest worker permit
<3> That Reefer Madness was fact ?
<4> L0c0 lol
<0> FT hahahaha, Samuel Clemons had a good quote....
<5> KoBushi: i don't speak very good spanish and i live on the US/Mex border
<3> BEcause ANY CLAIM TO DISPEL ANY OF THESE MYTHS IS by fact, Revisionism.
<6> 5 years or greater and they get amnesty and a fast-track to citizenship
<5> Kobushi: i have cousins that don't speak a lick of spanish...but then they live in parts of the country and live lives where its just not necessary
<2> I wonder if the FBI or gov has any counterintelligence operations against the Mexicans with their movement like they did the black during the civil rights movement
<0> "do not read much into health food books, because you will spend the better part of your health wasting time reading them"
<5> this idea of "you must remember your culture" **** that...people holding on to the past is why muslims/jews don't get along
<3> Rusty, You cant be serious though ? You were kidding me right ?
<0> kidding you about what?
<5> brb, gotta make a drink
<8> L0c0: it depends what the alternative is
<0> about revision?
<3> Loco, well thats another issue and I agree with you mostly.
<5> tim-bbL; hehe peace
<5> ?
<0> there is nothing wrong with second geussing
<8> it's easy to 'be a citizen of the world' if you have opportunities
<0> there is nothing wrong with questioning
<7> Dude.. if you look at the budgets for secret operations covering FBI, CIA, NSA, whatever.. you have to conclude there's alot of deep **** going on you know nothing about
<4> L0c0 "your great great grandfather killed my great grandfasther now I have to kill you!"
<0> but revisionism in my opinion is just that
<9> Jews have done a pretty good job of being both citizens of the world while maintaining identity
<0> its opinion
<9> Muslims haven't done as well
<3> There is good culture and there is bad culture. culture which makes a country better (ethnic food, dance and song ), And going on till the end of time saying you stole our land.
<9> Rusty: of course it is.
<9> it's the Derrida response to history
<4> My ancestors lived here 2000 years ago therfor I have a right to live here now!
<0> Timur
<10> also, dongs.
<0> i think some of Hitlers ideals under his situation were well placed in an economic model of the time
<0> am i a revisionist?
<0> or an economist?
<9> which doesn't invalidate it, necessarily, but if such revisionism is used as the main or only source of knowledge, without a proper balance of better established works/authors, it doesn't mean much
<9> Rusty: not as far as I know
<4> the jews and palestinians used to be equal... when they were ruled by romans end egyptians :P
<6> cool we should get to settle in ireland or england or germany or something, couple hundred years ago our ancestors lived there
<3> Revisionism simply means a new telling of history. And we are constitantly reviewing history and revising it to be more honest.
<9> Kob: no, they weren't equal then either
<3> which is a lot easier to do with the p***age of time rather than the closeness of time.
<1> KoBushi: they lived in peace before the creation of israel too
<11> Actually, the quote seems to be, "Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."
<0> Revisionism is a "new telling with altered emotional fact"
<9> because there were no 'Palestinians' back then. Judea was a Jewish nation.
<0> just my opinion
<9> Rusty: for the most part, yes.
<11> Not much for history, are you, Hemi?
<4> Timur- so, the palestinians had no ancestors from then? you just magically appeared some time later?
<3> Jews and Palestinians worked together and lived together and intermarried during the ottoman empires reign.
<9> hyperion: no, they didn't. Read about the m***acres of 1929 and 1936.
<0> weezly i like anthropology
<0> and fact
<11> *snort*
<3> Jewish Citrus farmers hired arab pickers to pick their fruit.
<11> Ooookay.
<1> lol
<4> you->they
<3> Rusty, Your defintion of Revisionism with all due respect is very ignorant.
<9> Free: and under the Ottomans, they all suffered, because that Empire from about 1600 on, was increasingly corrupt and inefficient, with all the misery those bring.
<3> Revisionism, WHEN YOU REVISE
<3> And when you have new facts you must REVISE or lie
<9> Free: that's the literal meaning, but not the figurative, or relevant meaning.
<3> And this guy doesnt go for emotional appeal at all
<9> we're speaking of historical revisionism.
<6> Judea was a territory within the land of Israel whose boundaries were variously defined at different stages of Bible History, although Jerusalem was always within it. Known as the kingdom of "Judah" (see Jews At War With Israel) before the Babylonian exile (see Why Babylon? and King Nebuchadnezzar and Temple Mount Treasures), the territory became known as Judea after the return, and included most of the area west of the Jordan River. It expanded briefly during the
<3> He is extremely unemotional and very much intellectual..
<4> Timur- but yeah the ottoman example was my point.. under opressive rulership they suffered equally.
<6> The Maccabees, however by the time of Christ, the Romans (see Ancient Empires - Rome) designated Judea as the southernmost division of "Palestine," the other two being Samaria and Galilee. Under Roman rule, Judea was included within the province of Syria, and was governed by a procurator - Pontius Pilate being the most well-known.
<9> he doesn't have to, the bias and emotional appeal are inherent in the manner in which facts are presented.
<3> This guy is a book worm, he buts together a tale based on absolute facts. which he references. Obviously he would make some mistakes.
<0> while i smoke this cigarette maybe weezly can explain what is wrong with my "hypothesis"
<3> But my experiense in reading 1000s of books is that I can tell when An author is trying to sell me something and when he isnt.
<3> And he wasnt
<9> Kob: they didn't suffer equally, no. Arabs had 1. greater numbers and 2. were allowed to ride horses and 3. join the military and 4. join the highest ranks of the Ottoman government both locally or in the Imperial center and 5. had full access to their holy sites.
<2> Timur just because something leads you to a conclusion you don't want doesn't mean its biased
<3> Listen, When you have new facts, you MUST revise history or you are a liar
<7> In 54,000 BC my ancestors were kicked out of their extensive cave complex because they smelled bad....And in 16,000 BC we were in charge of the wild cats and regal dogs....
<3> simple as that.
<0> holy crap!
<2> Dont you hate it when the facts are biased against you opinion?
<4> Timur- all arabs had those advantages?
<9> Free: except those 1000s of books aren't about the subject at hand. Maybe a half-dozen were, as you said, and you don't recall the authors; or didn't.
<3> This isnt a who did what situation
<0> HOLY CRAP!
<11> Hemi - I just don't buy into the objectivity myth. Anthropology, like history, is subject to interpretation.
<9> so it's hard to establish what you've actually read and what your knowledge is based upon.
<9> and what the gaps are based upon
<3> this is for people like me who love history and read history books frequently and study history, you could say history has no value but for me its a p***ion.
<0> a news cameraman was taking pictures of cynthia mckinney
<5> LOL
<0> and was shoved and grabbed and shoved up against a wall
<3> I want to know why men did what the did when they did it , and I want to know how man developed and changed over the course of human time.
<0> told that the person who was holding him was "capital police"
<12> im trying to watch the video off drudge
<0> apparently
<5> on Tucker Carlson tonight: "What if you snuck into Mexico illegally and demanded free healthcare, free schooling, welfare, a driver's license"
<5> lol
<10> `426-Hemi yeah and the guy is impersonating an officer
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