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<0> like people with big houses
<0> nice houses
<1> I guess that the employers of illegal aliens won't be prosecuted for breaking the law..what kind of message is this sending
<2> i was watching this mexican news show last night and they were talking to people planning on coming to the us and this one guy basically said "well they're fighting because they want to let us all go, but some people dont want that. but if we get there before the law p***es we'll be citizens"
<0> hard workin' people
<3> its only hope was to radio nearby battleships, Nearby in terms of F14s or whatever airplanes they had to protect the Liberty
<4> surrounded by lots of farm land that is being converted to pretty nice houses
<5> part of this senate bill will require aliens that have only been here 2-5 years to go back and apply for work visas
<0> yeh
<2> not an exact quote, but that's basically waht he said
<5> LIKE that's GONNA HAPPEN!
<5> oops
<0> my aunt lives out there
<3> in fact 2 were scambled and then forced to return to the carrier by orders of MacNamara himself.
<4> if we can close this deal we will be moving two exits past the speedway
<0> rond she is a northern NY transplant
<2> i think Bush and Kennedy/McCain and anybody else that proposes a plan make it EXTREMEMLY clear that if they do by chance get a shot at citizenship, its not an instant thing...they MUST wait in line
<2> at the BACK of the line
<5> Johan}, it sends the message that corps control america
<0> talks like she is full blooded texan
<4> then right about 5 miles
<0> hehhee
<4> :)
<6> What the hell are you guys talking about ?
<2> 426Hemi: who?
<2> *sigh*
<4> Texas Motor Speedway where Nascar is racing this weekend
<2> I wasn't born in txas..****, i wasn't even born in the western hemisphere :-P
<3> This is a subject I implore people to study and understand, because To me its water over the dam and is no reason for bad relations between Israel and the USA today but its also notable how many people will either say alll the survivors were liars or accept the official Israeli Government line 100%. To believe the government of Israel you have to be blinded to all th other facts.
<5> it shames me that kennedy and mccain are accepting kudos for this
<4> I think it holds what rusty 100k of people or something
<0> rond she married a guy named Ed Carter
<7> L0c0, are you a commanist?
<4> or is it 250k
<0> he has/runs a construction company down there
<3> Inclduing the one where the first medal of honor was bestowed in a warehouse with no cameras and with secrecy to the captain of that ship.
<0> she is the money person
<2> DeDannan: nah, born in WEST germany hehe
<6> FreeMrkts, I think you have an extreme view
<7> :)
<2> Weisbaden
<0> rond, he is the guy that lays those big cement blocks in the road to change the lanes
<2> but boy i'll tell you what, i took LOTS of lumps for that when i was growing up
<2> kids would find out, call me nazi and beat me up
<2> hehe
<0> and then brings in the huge equipment to build/check bridges
<4> I see
<3> No I dont have an extreme view, there are only two views, The official Israeli view by their government and the views of 50 or 100 or how ever many survivors who to a man say essentially the same things happened.
<0> he is a concrete man
<0> hehehe
<2> is it any wonder i hate mexicans sometimes?
<3> If its extreme to believe 100 sailors as to what happened to them, then extremists we all are.
<2> getting beatup by kids yelling "yeah a mexicans kicking your ***"
<6> Israelis are democrats with millions of different opinions just like the US
<0> heavy heavy major bull****ter
<0> the guy can talk more **** than 3 bulls on a pack of exlax=)
<0> but i geuss thats a job requirement in Texas
<0> hehhee
<2> i think that's a job requirement for success...nobody got anywhere being honest :-P
<6> Maybe there are followers in Israel of their various pundits like there are in the US, but I think that goes with the territory
<3> Of a crew of 294 officers and men[4] (including three civilians)[5], the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.[6] The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap[7] .
<3> So over 200 sailors Are liars abour their own fate.
<0> we have to **** or get off the pot with israel
<2> 300men really
<3> I suggest you read their story before you discount me or comet or anyone else who has as an extremist.
<0> either we make them a state or we don't
<3> Extremism is usually to one side or another. And my view cuts right down the center, so how in the hell does that make me an extremeist ?
<0> on one hand israel would be a great state
<0> on the other hand
<2> FreeMrkts: this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
<3> Rusty, we should do what is in our interest, as much as possible to promote peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
<0> do we want to have 50-100 years of m***ive turmoil
<3> Loco I would read this one
<3> http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm
<0> FT, i say if we are going to support Israel, we make it a "state" commitment
<0> annex it
<3> ignore the war crimes rhetoric which is pretty new, but read the story of the sailors
<0> take control
<0> stop the bull****
<3> These people are pissed off now. Not then but NOW because officially the US government has also been complicit in burying this story
<0> we give palestine their lands
<0> israel takes theirs
<0> none of this "dot here dot that and here and there" **** on the map
<3> you will find evidence of that by who did a man earn a medal of honor in secret ? I dont know if there are any other cases of such.
<0> israel takes theirs , palestinians take there
<2> doh
<2> THAT was where McGonagle was from
<0> if you attack ISrael then, you attack America
<2> man...i remember the name and i remember it stuck out when i first saw harry potter but couldn't remember from what/where
<2> haha
<3> These guys were not CIA, they dont get a Star with no name. They were a reconnasaince vessel whose task it was to see if russiasn were flying any egyptian air craft period.
<0> you are attacking a state
<0> of USA
<6> Look. there is a future here that maybe we forget in all the carnage... It is simple, it is coexistence, and it has to happen.
<3> And the motive for the attack is explained from their perspective.
<3> Wait wait
<0> or
<3> Who is attacking Israel ?
<0> we abandon Israel
<0> FT, arabs are attacking israel, Hamas, the government of palestine
<0> Iran is attacking israel
<0> pakistani
<2> Libby court papers: Cheney said Bush OK'd intelligence leak
<3> Rusty we already have a state committment to support Israel, but we also have many times been angered by actions of the Israelis (We = the state dept ) the Us government.
<2> does it really matter anymore?
<0> heh anyone who is islamic
<0> egyptians?
<3> So we are their best ally that doesnt me like an errant child we can let them have their way with us.
<0> remember the egyptians who blew up the israel hotel ?
<8> L0c0: maybe it will after those bastards get impeached
<0> FT.... no i am saying a "State"
<0> give them statehood
<9> Abusive Domain or User
<0> let them know
<10> I don't think Israel would want to be a state of the U.S.
<2> talk of impeachment is silly
<0> hey, you can become USA state, or you can vote to be israel without our support
<3> Rusty not in a million years would I want Israel for a state. that would be plain stupid
<2> at least until after November
<10> nor do I think we should allow them to become one
<0> but this billions of dollars that is going to israel needs to stop
<6> Israel means alot the US and other english speaking countries. It is fine that this is the case. We should help out out as best we can, and in all cases help to stop wonton killing. So lets think about how palestinians benefit from being close to israel. It is actually a place to be with a very good future if I could place a 25 year bet
<0> they need to stand on their own feet
<3> Why would you inherent a 100 year old confilict on a continent 1000s of miles away ?
<2> FreeMrkts: what brought up the discussion?
<2> something in the news?
<0> FT, i am offering 2 solutions
<0> trying to make you see that
<0> we can not sit here and continue to give them billions of dollars
<0> 400 billion since 1960's
<3> l0c0, SOmeone mentioned a book I should readon on ww1 by an author and then he mentioned a book on the middle east (the middle east is much larger than Israel but Israel is a part of it).
<0> not including the costs of this Iraq war
<3> In politeful exchange for his book reccomendations i reccomended 2 books by the same author on a part of the middle east, Palestine.
<0> not including the hornets nest that we involve ourselves with in the rest of the middle east
<3> Whic is today Israel and the Palestinian territories.
<0> i say if we give it state status, we can wage full time war
<0> legally
<0> if not
<0> Israel its on its own
<10> I've heard estimates over 1 trillion for total cost of Iraq war by the time we are done
<7> L0c0, it was shortly after that...all hell broke loose :)
<0> wiretapp, yeh but thats the thing
<0> its not JUST IRAQ
<0> hehhehe
<0> there is Afghanistan and we are fighting opium in afghanistan
<7> wiretapp, a trillion here...a trillion there...soon we'll be talking about real money
<10> Well that is a significant chunk of our national debt
<2> DeDannan: hehe
<0> so its more like 800 billion for Iraq and 200 for afghanistan
<0> hehhe
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