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Comments:
<0> Free: actually, you do have some bias, and that bias is pro-Saudi (70 000 dollars' worth), and to the extent you have such a bias about this issue, it's not a particularly well informed one.
<1> theres a good line
<2> After reading about 6 books which only glorified Israel and after defending Israel almost always for years on the internet, And then I read the history of the USS Liberty, and then I said to myself, Man you really dont know the history well. Its time you learned..
<3> If I were an alien suddenly warped into a palestinian body, I would question the sanity of palestinian leadership. Israel is a very strong country and there is alot to be gained by the geographic proximity to israel..
<4> well, it seems to me the admin has concocted the perfect excuse for libby et al
<1> <+wiretapp> Maybe he is lying thats another issue <--- doesn't matter if he is lying!
<2> I carefully chose books for their lack of bias.
<1> typical democrat
<0> yes, the USS Liberty you constantly bring up
<5> you shift positions like kerry
<6> West` they turned on him once he turned on Bush
<2> The best book I read was Tom Segevs.
<4> that it was the president who authorized release of a portion of a NIE that happened to point to plame
<0> Free: what others have you read, or don't you remember?
<2> The point is I was a shill for Israel like so many people are..
<1> wiretapp???
<6> How do you interpret that as "it doesn't matter if hes lying"?
<1> show me how the presidency turned on libby?
<0> I wonder what basis you use to ascribe the quality 'best'
<6> Not what I said at all
<1> anywhere
<6> neither of us know if he was/is lying
<1> <+wiretapp> West` they turned on him once he turned on Bush ,---
<6> how could we
<6> so there is no point in debating
<2> And I stopped myself and said wait a minute, why am I always praising israel when I dont know the history of it well.
<1> "I didn't say it but i said it"
<1> democrats are a joke
<0> Free: and what other authors, for the THIRD time, have yuo read?
<0> or for the THIRD time, can't you remember?
<0> try some Bernard Lewis, perhaps
<4> is anyone reading what i just stated? that the libby case has taken a dramatic turn?
<6> democrats are this democrats are that nothing but namecalling
<0> a totally disp***ionate but excellent author
<0> Linus: I read about that, but I don't really care. :)
<1> i haven't called anyone any names
<2> So I put aside the 6 books which glorified it, Found Tom Segev, and found him to be brutally honest and cites almost every fact he points out, Found him to be the best author I have read on the history of that peice of land which is smaller than Maine, I think.
<6> Linus- we've heard
<7> FreeMrkts, what about USS Liberty?
<1> i said democrats are a joke, and i have pointed out their hypocrisy
<4> what happened to the leak-proof fitzgerald?
<6> Republicans are not hypocritical?
<0> Free: so basically, you seem not to remember, so there's not much point in engaging you further, since this is now a non-debate.
<1> the more i tell the truth the more democrats get shrill
<0> I'm going shopping. bbl
<1> ohhh now wiretapp starts name calling
<4> `426-Hemi, our beacon
<1> "hypocritical"
<2> Timur, instead of having an emotional fit every time i mention Segev, why dont you just say and also people when you are finished with freetrades reccomendations, I suggest you read, A, B and C.
<2> Rather than burn books
<6> saying that members of either party can be hypocritical isn't namecalling
<2> suggest other books as well.
<8> Free: because I already have.
<6> calling democrats a joke is namecalling
<2> tim right
<1> ohh i see
<8> if you'd stop talking to yourself for one second
<7> FreeMrkts, unindentified ship, at a war zone, after the US goverment told the Israeli Goverment it has no ships in that area
<8> and read the list here
<8> http://teachermike.org/BOOKS.html
<8> there are a bunch
<2> But that doesnt stop you from getting extremely emotional everytime I mention Segev. An honored historian.
<6> Why do I even care to debate with somebody who treats me with such contempt
<8> p***ive voice?
<8> because
<3> Timur: despite my opinion that palestinians could have a really good thing by getting along with israel, there are elements in israel that don't want palestinians to live on their homesteads
<1> your modern democratic party is going to end up being rehashed Bill Clinton speeches
<1> buahahahhaa
<8> no really good scholars honor him
<8> so **** Segev and what he stands for
<7> FreeMrkts, the USS Liberty opened fire on torpedo boats that where on intercepting route with it
<8> and the whole mentality that says he is the sine qua non of the issue
<1> Go Hillary Go!
<8> which is total bull****.
<8> Kob: 'was said about', 'praised by'
<4> The boulder fell on John.
<4> p***ive
<8> no, the boulder is the subject
<3> anyway
<4> oops
<3> it's all nuts
<6> KoBushi I've always had a problem reading body language and tone over the internet
<1> <+wiretapp> Why do I even care to debate with somebody who treats me with such contempt <--- hahahahhaha
<6> tone of voice
<4> john was hit by a boulder
<1> wahhwahhwahhhhh
<3> not the pace to discuss such things I think
<8> ok, said my piece. bbl
<3> place
<1> i find most times people treat others the way they treat others themselves
<4> hrm?
<6> huh
<4> hehe
<1> jibber and i don't see eye to eye
<9> Tim-bbl so, how can one talk about things that happened in the past w/o it being "p***ive" ?
<1> but we have reasonable conversation
<4> KoBushi, easy
<1> interesting
<4> john hit a home run yesterday
<10> http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8672/catontheprowl5rq.jpg
<3> `426-Hemi, you've already expressed your distate for human conscience.. what do you care what people want.. what you want is what works, am I right?
<1> jibberjab , well yeh=) but if i had it my way, people would treat each other with respect
<9> meh, I still don't understand then :)
<1> and treat themselves responsibly
<6> I thought you meant 'p***ive' as in not expecting response
<11> hemi and treat fish with respect too
<3> Yeah man.. you gotta work on that
<4> when the subject is the doer, its active
<4> when the subject is the recipient, its p***ive
<3> `426-Hemi, when is the last time you've felt sorry for someone ?
<3> general question.
<4> thatys really basic, but it''l do
<6> empathy?
<9> Linus- so... how can you explain what happened to someon w/o being p***ive? :P
<1> it seems we live in a society now where its "treat your fellow man better than yourself"
<2> "Thoroughly researched . . . incisive."--Steve Lipman, Jewish Week
<1> and thats stupid
<9> I guess "a boulder fell on john" rather than "joh was crushed by a boulder" ?
<4> if its something that happened to them it is p***ive
<1> jibberjab, i don't even want to go in to my charitable things
<1> because if i discuss them with you
<2> There are so many reccomendations by jewish intellectuals it would be folly to think this guy was a cheap liar.
<4> if its something they did willfully, its not
<6> How you treat yourself is between you and yourself
<1> then it defeats the purpose of my giving
<2> "The best single account of Palestine under the British mandate . . . This will doubtlessly become the authoritative text for the pre-state history of Israel."--Omer Bartov, The New York Times Book Review
<2> "An antidote to myths . . . A book of pressing relevance . . . We should be thankful."--Gershom Gorenberg, Washington Post Book World
<3> Whatever you want to call it. I think it's part of human nature to care about other humans, and less than human to wish death on the misguided or mis-born
<1> jibberjab, i aint no bill gates when it comes to giving
<1> i wished i had that much money to give
<1> but i do what i can
<2> "This book is hard to put down. Events are fascinatingly told from three viewpoints...The mistakes made by the British, Jews, and Arabs that led to the current imp***e are clearly evident in Segev's book."--J. Zel Lurie, Had***ah Magazine
<4> when the bill arrives, `426-Hemi heads for the gates
<2> These endorsements are not by anti zionists or anti semites.
<2> they are Jews and intellectuals by their own right many of them
<1> personally i find that question offensive really
<12> oh wonderful, McKinney has hired a loose cannon bodyguard who's already threatining the media and possibly impersonating an officer
<4> intellectjewuals
<1> how much do you give jibber?
<4> -u
<1> i mean how do you answer that question?
<12> this chick doesnt know when to stop
<6> impersonating an officer?
<1> i have worked in soup kitchens for free
<7> FreeMrkts, there are jewish who are anti zionists
<1> i have given money
<4> bud`, she apologized on the floor
<2> Nick Goldberg, Newsday
<2> "Brilliantly evocative . . . Fascinating . . . Segev approaches his story with independence and a refreshing empathy for all sides."
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