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<0> it blew the roofs off of houses
<0> and businesses
<0> no biggie
<1> Armon it wasn't wrong to make a treaty which attempted to punish germany for thier previously wrong actions
<2> I'm going to stand out on my deck and watch the cells moving up from the southwest
<3> KoBushi: No, I'm not saying that it was WRONG, I'm saying that anyone with a sound mind should have expected what would happen.
<4> involuntary twister game: right foot on branch; left arm under pickup
<2> I may even get to see a tornado drop out of one of them
<3> KoBushi: People don't just die in peace because their leaders **** up. They fight. Of course they do! You and I would as well.
<3> KoBushi: And we'd be damn proud of it, too.
<5> Germany didnt play Austria, All that was needed to end the war was for Serbians to abide by the most lenient Demands of Austria considering the offense that serbians committed.
<0> tornadoes don't like hills
<0> Comet in NY? they see a dark cloud with 50 mph winds and call it a tornado
<1> Armon no, I wouldn't
<4> price phtwister
<2> heh
<0> "Oh no it pulled some shingles off!"
<5> I forget the demands of Austria, but it didnt sound unreasonable and it was meant that way to prevent war.
<0> "ohh yes that was a tornado!"
<0> the weather dudes are like "Did you see a funnel?"
<4> we used to own a toronado
<3> KoBushi: Well, Pearl Habour and 9/11 most certainly justified intervention in Iraq. As was widely known before 9/11.
<0> the people are like "Well we saw a triangular looking cloud"
<5> They wanted an apology. I think they wanted those who did it punished.. I dont remenber it all.
<2> hemi judging by how warm it is right now .. 80's .. and a cold front moving up .. all hell is going to break loose
<0> "ahh yes that was a tornado"
<6> Free, Austria's demands were far from lenient...which was the point of the ultimatum...Serbia nearly agreed to every one....Austria wanted war to punish Serbia, and re***ert its position in the Balkans
<3> KoBushi: That a "new Pearl Harbour" would make their military efforts much more feasible. So at BEST, they took the opportunity of 9/11 to go into Iraq.
<0> Comet, i always worry about you=(
<0> seriously
<4> triangular, rofl
<3> KoBushi: Fact 1: They always wanted to invade Iraq. (Project for a New American Century)
<2> when that cold air hits the warm air .. its not a pretty sight
<4> it shape like a dorito!
<0> i always hear about tornadoes and thinkin "I hope CB is ok"
<5> Comet watch those Tornados they have been bad. I saw that 4 grade tornado which destroyed much of a town I forget the name of.. But it wasnt that far from you.
<3> KoBushi: Fact 2: They knew a "new Pearl Habour" would help, if not even being the only way to justify a war with Iraq to the American people.
<2> hemi thx :)
<5> A few hundred miles.
<6> "Europe's Last Summer", by David Fromkin...has copies of both the Austrian ultimatum and Serbia's reply....
<3> KoBushi: Fact 3: They invaded Iraq in the War on Terror, caused by 9/11.
<0> Comet, i swear i am not kissing ***
<0> its a fact
<1> Armon terroists share an equal blame with hitler... in that instead of presuing real reform in thier own nations and trying t make thier lives btter, they choose violence which onl worsens their own problems.
<3> KoBushi: You don't think this stinks like hell?
<3> KoBushi: No argues there!
<0> i always look after i hear if there was a bit storm and if i don't see your nick i always go ACK!
<0> big
<4> some guy on hardball yesterday was still clinging to the notion that saddam was courting al qaeda
<7> god these people that make excuses for Mckinney
<3> KoBushi: Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying their actions. But I happen to consider myself an ally of the United States, and if I have a friend that's doing the wrong thing, I tell him.
<5> DeDannan, Very interesting that is quite different than my primary source on ww1 histories opinion unless I read it wrong, he is a renowned ww1 author.
<2> FreeMrkts true .. one completely wiped out council bluffs a few years back .. I have never seen such a thing in my life. Trees everywhere .. most of them 4-5 foot across at the base .. completely pulled up by their roots
<2> no houses with roofs
<5> Hmm I may have read it wrong..
<5> bbiab
<1> Armon well, I'm undecided on the jusftication of going into iraq
<0> Comet, you ever take pictures of those tornadoes?
<7> people like Mckinney are whats wrong with this country
<1> Armon but, Afghanistan was legitmate imo.
<8> Armon...WW I was so complicated...hat it took one 600 page book to lay the groundwork as to why....
<3> KoBushi: I'll agree with that.
<8> guess what?
<4> CB: StormChaser
<0> some of the cloud formations i wished i could have taken pictures of
<0> i saw in Texas
<2> hemi .. no, I haven't. I never think to go get the camera. My husband is always yelling at me to get my lame *** off the porch and get down to the basement :)
<2> lol
<8> The USA was NOT involved!!
<3> Cryolas: Yeah, I'll have to give you that, too. Besides... history doesn't repeat itself like they say... it always changed forms.
<0> amazing freakin clouds
<0> i love it
<8> it does when people forget
<2> hemi I am fascinated by them
<0> Comet i would love to chase storms its amazing ****, but they get into the sciense and stuff
<0> i just want to SEE the ****
<8> My Horne Set is 7 thick volumes
<3> Cryolas: Yeah... except when the winners make sure that the real reasons are forgotten.
<4> i heard that Ralph Nader's middle name is Tor
<8> one for 194-1920
<0> i would be in Texas and go OH MY GOD! look at that Tornado!
<5> The ultimatum was presented by the Austrian government to Belgrade on Thursday 23 July 1914 at 6 p.m. A response was demanded within two days, by Saturday 25 July at 6 p.m. Sir Edward Grey, the British Foreign Secretary, commented that he had "never before seen one State address to another independent State a document of so formidable a character."
<8> 1914
<0> my friends would be like "Ohh thats just a dust devil!"
<1> Cryolas does that mean you are horney?
<3> People today accept evidence of the exact same nature as the nazis used to justify their racist policies.
<0> i'd be like wtf? it just took someones barn out
<3> It's a common misunderstanding that they didn't use any evidence.
<2> hemi .. we live at the top of a hill and we have a clear shot of the cells as they move up towards Omaha. There is just no way you cannot be fascinated by it.
<8> FT...Germany pressed Austria-ungary to pursue that option
<5> DeDannan, My apologies you are right, I did not misread the author, I forgot what he wrote, because its so obvious now that I did some cursary research.
<3> They most certainly did, and they didn't fake much of it either, they merely cooked it the right way.
<6> Free, yep..Grey was stunned by the harshness of the language...
<0> ohh man Comet you should be taking pictures of that ****!
<0> that would be COOOL!
<2> yeah I should
<8> it was the perfect way to get what they wanted
<3> Plausible nonsense will always conquer the complex truth.
<4> no, you should be getting your *** downstairs
<0> comet, don't be stupid though, stay safe=)
<1> mmm kung pow chicen
<2> lol
<0> i mean if its way off?
<2> I do tend to stay out there too long
<5> DeDannan, Didnt they back off that rhetoric later though ? Or did they stick to it ?
<8> but Europe had laid the groundwork for the showdown...
<0> take pictures by all means=))
<6> Free, check out Fromkin's book...its one of the most readable new histories I've seen in a while...
<2> it drives my husband crazy
<4> there's no way top predict the path
<8> m***ive navies...armies...
<5> The demands they made initially ?
<6> FreeMrkts, they stuck to it...
<0> heheh Comet
<8> idiotic rotective treaies
<4> you ever spin a top and be able to predict its path?
<8> Germany used Austria to start WW I
<6> Austria *wanted* Serbia to not agree to the ultimatum
<5> All Mark that name. in fact Ill put it on my wishlist at amazon. Do you have a preferred title ?
<6> Cryolas, exactly
<8> the Prussians were hell bent on expansion
<2> linus .. normally .. they travel from the southwest towards the northeast.
<0> Comet if he lost you?? he would have to marry some toothles big lady who was trailer trash!
<2> but its not cut in stone
<5> In other words which book would you reccomend by him ?
<8> once the armies moved...it was like a stack of dominoes
<0> hahahha
<4> yes, but they don't go in straight lines necessarily
<6> Free, "Europes Last Summer"
<2> hemi .. lol. I kinda doubt that would happen :)
<5> Thanks
<8> FT...for WW I
<0> "250 ways to kidnap Cometbaby
<5> Sounds good.
<8> "Great Actions of The Great War"
<0> "your wife died in a tornado she now lives in NY"
<5> I dont think german pressed Serbia, I think it was Austria
<0> hahhahaa
<5> Er
<6> also, "A Peace to End All Peace"
<8> Charles Honre
<8> Horne
<4> there are plenty of videos and photos on the internet taken by idiotic storm chasers
<5> I mean I dont think german presses austria, I think austria pressed serbia on its own.
<8> the great actions series not cheap to get though
<8> I lucked out
<0> Comet, we could make a movie out of this
<5> Correct me if i am wrong
<9> I'm sick of wwii.. more than 100 million dead..
<4> i doubt CometBaby's gonna contribute anything earth-shattering to that collection
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