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<0> jibber actually, a friend of mine used to get on my *** so bad for saying "Anyways"
<0> so=)
<1> Cryolas: Partly that's true... it took WW2 for them to realize that you can't just treat nations anyway you like. No one can.
<2> Hold on I'm writing a funeral durge for the enlightenment
<3> Versailles was a 19th Century Treaty...that had no place in the 20th
<1> KoBushi: No, that's not bull****, FreeMrkts, will you back that up for me? ;)
<4> Armon Hitler had risen germany to the most powerful nation in europe, both economically and industrially
<4> Hitler had risen germany to the most powerful nation in europe, both economically and industrially... BEFORE going to war
<1> KoBushi: Yes, and a fundamental justification for the re-armament of Germany was the outright rape upon the German nation after WW1.
<0> bcvloh.sbcglobal.net <--- oh god jibber are you canadian?
<3> Armon...Eurpoe may have been able to avoid WW II....but they did not think
<5> Ihave the Medals of my Grandfather from ww1
<1> KoBushi: Germany took *all* responsibility and was to pay *all* war reparations.
<4> There was no need for ww2, they were clearly capable of building thier nation to great heights even under Versealli(sp?)
<1> KoBushi: It was die or fight. They fought.
<0> British Colombia "Vancouver"?
<1> KoBushi: Not a chance in hell, brother. :)
<4> Armon bs, they thrived, and would have continued to thrive
<2> `426Hemi, yeah
<6> Well, Europe can always rely on the French.
<0> jibber is really a sasquatch on a land line
<3> Germany had all of its ***ets seized that ere of consequence
<7> you need a hitlertalk once a day....
<1> KoBushi: Yes, and they thrived by basically throwing out the Treaty of Versailles.
<0> er on a wifi
<4> Armon they CHOSE war out of anger.
<0> hehhehehe
<2> I'm hairy like a sasquatch..
<3> No one wanted to Rebuild...they only wanted to Punish
<2> no not really. I don't have any hair on my back
<1> KoBushi: Yes, of course! Just like people that made the Treaty of Versailles should have known damn well.
<4> Armon then they could have continued to ignore it... none of the other nations wuld have attacked them over it
<0> hahhahha
<3> whip a dog enough...and it will turn on you
<0> i always wanted to go out that way
<4> Armon no, to blame it on them is excusing the actions of the nazis, period.
<8> hmmmm...Versailles imposed huge reparations on Germany...ocupation of the industrial centers of the Rhineland and Ruhr...Hitler himself made Versailles a central issue in his political campaigns
<0> Jibber if ever i end up hitchiking across country again i may head out that way=)
<4> "Oh thoe poor nazis suffering from the treaty"
<3> Armon...EUROPE made that treaty...the victors did anyways
<1> KoBushi: Just like you should have known damn well that the opposition in Iraq would be much greater, that you wouldn't find any WMDs and that Osama bin Laden were just about as much friends as Bush and the head of China.
<5> My Grandfather was in the Battle of the Argon forrest in ww1
<3> Versailles was as appropriate as Windows ME
<1> KoBushi: All of this was known before the invsion, IN EUROPE... imagine how it looks like over here.
<1> KoBushi: Maybe we're wrong, again I can only tell you what it looks like, and it looks like one, giant, big ****ing "told you so".
<5> I asked my wife, where are the medals ? Oh I dont know I saw them aroudn somewhere.. Good god, they should be locked up in the safe!
<8> Clemenceau in particular, and Lloyd George to a lesser extend...wanted to punish Germany...
<3> Armon...the WMDs were sent to Damascus before we invaded
<5> I beleive Versailled was what made ww2 so possible.
<8> which is why the US didn't ratify the treaty...
<1> KoBushi: A rise in terrorism, the proliferation of WMDs, all of it expected before the war. Oh, and Iran starts making a fuss, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!
<4> "Oh those poor germans and thier highly succesful pre-ww2 nation, they ONLY have the largest economy and most powerful industry in europe... they are so opressed by the treaty they have to go to war"
<1> Cryolas: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
<3> DD,,,damn right
<8> Free, it was one of the conditions yes
<3> WW knew the score
<4> Armon stop mking excuses for those who refuse to take responsibility for thier own problems
<0> heheh Cry, me and my dog have had straight out fist fights, him and i rolling across the floor, me punching him , him biting me
<2> `426Hemi, It's cold here buddy
<1> KoBushi: I'm not making excuses for anyone, I'm refuting the excuses of the United States government.
<0> jibber
<5> Germany was defeated, Humiliated, Divided, And put in a cage of poverty they couldnt escape in my opinion.
<0> heh
<1> KoBushi: I'm not justifying what Saddam did or what happened in WW2.
<0> the cold there is warmer than where i was raised and live now
<8> rise of fascism in Italy...a weakened League of Nations (without the US)...
<3> Versailles...the short change on African colonies....the shambles in which thier part of Europe was left following Napoleon...
<1> KoBushi: And I wonder how on Earth you managed to interpret me that way. All I'm saying is that over here everything that is happening now in Iraq and in Iran, was expected before the invasion.
<0> although not as cold as up near Herzen
<0> or Picks
<1> KoBushi: Except those dumb***es in the White House... simply did not care.
<5> And in my opinion, It was primarily the fault of Russia and France that WW1 started in the first place.
<5> Thats my opinion.
<3> Armon..I only said you needed more info than what your press provides
<0> i was raised on the st lawrence, it gets mighty cold up there=)))
<1> FreeMrkts: That's an interesting theory. :)
<8> Free, I'd disagree..it was Germany...
<4> Armon because you are saing the germans had no choice... that they were so horribly opresed and etc.
<3> FT..Actually....
<3> Germany used Austria to provoke the war....
<4> Armon that is tottaly exusing thier CHOIC to be irresponsible
<4> excusing*
<1> KoBushi: I didn't say that they didn't have a choice. I said that their reactions could easily have been foreseen and prevented by raping Germany just a little less.
<4> Armon yes you did
<5> But Germany quickly showed itself as an evil country not only not respecting Belgiums neutrality but they m*** murdered Belgiums citizens while under the flag of Neutrality
<0> my wifes mom is from Austria originally
<3> because Germany felt that was the only way by which its economy could gain
<4> "it was either fight or die"
<1> KoBushi: If I did, I take it back because that's not what I meant.
<8> to quote Count Berthold..German Foreign Minister.."We are ready for war..and for us, the sooner the better!"
<4> Armon the treat didn't cause ww2, Germany did.
<5> It was also a bad tactical move because it was Belgium and its treaty with Brittain which brought England into the war.
<9> whoa . it's 80 degrees here !!!
<1> KoBushi: Okay, okay, imagine this. I shove you a bit, and you punch me back.
<4> treaty*
<10>
<3> I refer to "Great Actions of Te Great War - 1914" By Charles Horne
<0> i always wanted to go to Austria for Oktoberfest
<5> So Germany played its role.
<11> Germany starting another war wasn't really surprising, and possibly one could justify it, but Hitler turned into an ideological m***acre.
<1> KoBushi: Now, it's wrong of me to shove you, and it's wrong of you to punch me.
<9> with a cold front moving in ..
<5> Comet damn
<0> Comet, stfu, it is not!
<8> Cryolas, good book
<3> yes
<12> CometBaby, welcome to spring :-)
<0> hehhehehhe
<5> A week ago wasnt it like 30 ?
<1> KoBushi: But that doesn't mean I'm in my right to shove you, "because you simply shouldn't respond"
<3> DeDannan the definitive one I am told
<12> CometBaby, we have leaves :-)
<13> <1> KoBushi: Now, it's wrong of me to shove you, and it's wrong of you to punch me. <12> CometBaby, welcome to spring :-) <3> DeDannan the definitive one I am told
<13> <12> CometBaby, we have leaves :-)
<2> My Great great great great great great grandfather took 10% finance fee on the russian sale of alaska to the US
<13> annan the definitive one I am told
<13> <12> CometBaby, we have leaves :-)
<13> <13> <1> KoBushi: Now, it's wrong of me to shove you, and it's wrong of you to punch me. <12> CometBaby, welcome to spring :-) <3> DeDannan the definitive one I am told
<13> <13> <12> CometBaby, we have
<13> or> CometBaby, we have leaves :-)
<13> <13> <1> KoBushi: Now, it's wrong of me to shove you, and it's wrong of you to punch me. <12> CometBaby, welcome to spring :-) <3> DeDannan the definitive one I am told
<13> <13> <12> CometBaby, we have leaves :-)
<13> <2> My Great great great great great great grandfather took 10% finance fee on the russian sale of alaska to the US
<13> <13> annan the definitive one I am told
<9> FreeMrkts yes .. and with this cold front moving in we are in for one helluva afternoon and evening
<4> Armon except that shove was because you already punched me once :)
<1> KoBushi: Shove Germany, they should have friggin' known, and I'll bet my left nut that they did.
<13> <13> <12> CometBaby, we have leaves :-)
<13> <13> <13> <1> KoBushi: Now, it's wrong of me to shove you, and it's wrong of you to punch me. <12> CometBaby, welcome to sp
<9> CrazyTom devoiced for lameness
<4> Armon except that shove was because you already punched me once (re: a germany analogy)
<12> Yeah Tom, yer a idjit
<14> what a dork
<0> Comet, its like 30 degrees here, Comet do me a favor and go outside and blow really hard to the east!
<9> lol
<0> send me some of that warm air damn it
<0> Greeeeeaaat!
<5> Germany was willing to stand down if Russia and France were willing. France was not willing, and Russia didnt want war. It was like if you had instant communication today it would of never occured.
<9> I'll send you a tornado .. hows that? :)
<0> THAT'd be COOOL!
<3> Germany played Austria like a Violin
<1> KoBushi: Oh, yeah. But when I shove you in retaliation... I would be foolish to think you'd just go "oh, he sure showed me".
<5> But if, should have, would have, all hindsight.
<0> Comet, we had a tornado here like 20 years ago
<3> brb
<8> Cryolas, lots of "definitive" stuff on the War :)
<1> KoBushi: It doesn't justify it, but it's easily predictable. Like the war in Iraq, everything before the war over here predicted what would happen, and exactly that is happening.
<9> FreeMrkts we are on a serere weather alert .. they are expecting tornados to develop this afternoon when that cold front move in over the top of this warm front
<0> it blew the roofs off of houses
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