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<0> or sturmvolken torching mosques :)
<1> Non-negligable, maybe.. but bad? :)
<2> well, if it's not negligable, it is bad
<1> Why?
<3> It's all sun-spot driven.
<2> any significant effect is not good
<0> Global Warming is henney-penny science
<4> too bad these greenhouse gases are not being produced in a large scale these days
<2> says who, your pillow?
<1> The weather totally ****s here, I could use a few degrees on the Celsius scale.
<2> lol dominus. where do you live?
<1> The Netherlands
<2> ah
<0> can send you some fahrenheit ones
<1> Thanks, I'll convert them myself.
<4> It is still funny...even though I knew that!
<0> it was 82 degrees today
<0> I can convert them if needed
<4> I'm sorry
<2> there's nothing henney-penny about the scientific part about global warming
<4> haha
<2> nothing what so ever
<2> the science is verified in highschool physics labs daily
<2> what is henny-penny
<2> is what a bunch of politicans scream at each other
<0> suna..lol
<2> which does NOT come from climate scientists
<2> ever
<4> Kyoto?
<0> The Day After Tomorrow had some neat special effects...
<0> but its premise was ridiculous
<2> anything any politican said about global warming you can bet your house did not come from any respected scientist with experience in this area
<5> I just love how england found out.. the C02 re-emmitance from their soil, swamped out all their gains
<1> I'm always in for that kind of adventures.
<2> politicans have no place to even mention this
<2> the entire idea is absurd
<5> "doh"
<1> I'd love to slay some wolves on a cargo ship.
<0> no Lupine...DOH!
<6> I've never had any scientist i've heard speak on the issue say anything contrary to the idea that global warming is largely influenced by human actions
<4> Conservatives would like global warming if we got to have cool battles against nature like in A Day After Tomorrow
<0> Dominus the Lupine we have here is armed
<0> brb pizza
<2> bokavitch: i've heard many give doubt, but most of that was years ago. Nowadyas, it's hard to find any
<1> I'll bring Scooby snacks.
<4> http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=14429
<4> ding ding ding
<5> kyoto had nothing to do with improving the enviroment.. it was an attempt by socialist anarchists to employ finantial/economy weapons against the united states
<2> lol publiu
<2> s
<2> it's just amaing to see people pretend that they have some real knoweldge of global warming because they wnat to win a political fight between republicans and democrats or consevatives and liberals
<2> it's so amazing
<6> I've heard of people doubting the extent to which we are responsible and i've heard opinions on what the consequences will be all over the map, but i've never heard anyone deny outright that greenhouse emissions don't contribute to warming
<2> like how could people be willing to act this dumb
<4> suna: I have real knowledge on this issue
<4> so does that nbr article
<6> sorry didn't mean for the double negative.
<5> Bok: i am not sure there is anyone seriously who suggest that humans have exactly 0 effect
<2> the fact that I can stereotype peoples so called opinions about global warming based on political views and be right most of the time.....
<2> well, that speaks for itself
<2> people are just full of it
<4> the clowns were the people at the Kyoto conference that democrats like AL Gore take as scripture
<5> suna: what political view would be those who question, why emissions from china and other 3rd world nations have no effect upon global warming?
<6> Yeah i dunno, i'm not really an alarmist in any way but global warming scares me
<2> climate scientists don't say global warming is worse than it is, which the clinton administration wanted them to. They don't say it's insignificant and uncertain and "henny-penny", like the bush administration wishes it was.
<2> the problem is
<2> NOBODY in political power is looking for the truth
<2> so the truth never gets presented
<2> they either want it worse or better
<2> and won't say anythign else
<4> bah, that's just because the liberals are rotten cowards
<7> global warming has never been about science, its always been about politicals helping their big business clients get legislation p***ed to support their agenda
<6> it's one of those things that baffles me for being a political issue, it shouldn't be something that's exploited. it needs to be taken care of
<5> well, the truth is.. at least in the US.. it is far better than it was in the 40's to 70s..
<4> I know of a few republicans who care about the truth and the good of the American people
<4> met about 2 or 3
<5> air is much cleaner, far less smog.. do you even hear about forecasts of acid rain anymore?
<1> Regardless, Kyoto is a farce. The only thing it results in is large countries selling their quota to industrial countries.
<5> dom: it was designed to bleed money from the united states, to 3rd world nations. nothing more, nothing less.
<1> Lupine: maybe that's because it's just so common, they don't tell you anymore.
<5> luckily, both clinton AND bush recognized that attack upon our nation for what it was.
<4> good point Dom
<2> the undeniable fact is that if you pump enough greenhouse gases (or even cfcs which have a very indirect and less significant effect on the process), global temperature will rise
<5> so common? no, its almost non existant
<2> so how much of these g***es have been pumped into due to humans?
<1> Are you sure?
<2> what do studies of global temperature changes really show?
<2> who the hell can you trust?
<2> you can find studies that say anything you want them to
<2> because of political interest
<1> suna: you can't trust either side.
<2> bingo
<6> Yeah i dunno, i think ther are simple things we could due, higher cafe standards, mandate a date for all new vehicles to reach X parts of greenhouse gase/mile etc.
<2> so when peopel come in here
<2> acting like they know for sure
<5> suna: that's not even true.. as it can increase moisture/humidity which can cause a higher reflection of solar energy.. it could spurn the growth of algea, etc
<2> i just wanna piss on them
<2> don't be so naive
<1> I mean, the ice ages didn't depend on human intervention.
<2> you don't know. Period. You don't.
<2> you might think, you might guess, you might put money on something, but you don't know
<1> For all we know we're on the verge of another ice age, or heat age, or whatever that'd be called.
<1> That goes for a lot of things in life, though.
<5> Bok: modern automobiles are such a tiny fraction of total emissions.. one actually is advocating harming the enviroment by overspending on new systems for cars, while ignoring other systems
<4> Well let's go ahead and throw out all human knowledge
<1> People like having an opinion way too much :)
<4> buh uh
<4> nuh*
<5> go after industrial machines, convert coal to nuclear power.. go after diesel trucks/buses..
<5> but a car you buy off the showroom today, is very clean.. and very close ot the limits of ROI
<8> Nuclear Powered SUV's, hats what I am talking about
<5> i mean, you can what.. spend another $5grand to have a car that is 1% cleaner than a Prius?
<8> the US Military has em, I want one.
<6> I'm all for nuclear power
<5> maybe $20grand more for 5% cleaner?
<4> DarthBurg: I plan on driving on straight into Tehran
<1> Lupine: who knows how much energy was spent to actually make it cleaner.
<6> but they are coming up with clean coal plants too
<4> one
<6> if those turn out to be what they are hyped up to be, it could be a good thing
<8> Clean coal is low sulphur coal
<8> old tech
<5> darth: yes/no. it also entails liquification of the coal
<6> They are trying to develop zero emissions coal plants
<2> Lupine: if other factors resulting from a more dense atmosphere wern't negligable, i'm sure it would be greatly considered (and even quantified) in this field. You see, the thing is greenhouse g***es have this lovely habit of being opaue to many infrared wavelengths that everything in and on this planet emits continulously. YOu don't have to make the atmosphere very dense to make it very opaque to these wavelengths, which is all it takes
<6> i think it's called FutureGen or something
<2> for a runaway greenhouse
<6> the DOE is behind it
<5> if we had nuclear plants.. we would then have m***ive amounts of natural gas and propane ot power fleet vehicles.
<2> in other words, it'd be hard to convince me that those factors were significant
<3> I want micro-fusion power plants in every home.
<8> and where do you get low sulphur coal in the US? oh thats right, thanks to Enviromental Nazi's we can't mine for coal.
<0> Publius Nucleus
<4> Publius Nucleus Dominus
<5> cathy wasn't a micro-fushion 1.2gigawatt dildo
<0> Fusion power is needed
<1> Please don't touch my core, thank you ;)
<3> 1.21 gigawatts!
<0> errr
<4> BAHAHAHA
<2> ick, i have work to do
<2> poo
<0> I am not touching that
<2> gotta go finish my outside work before it gets drak
<2> thank god for daylight savings
<2> I like it soooo much more than standard
<5> yea, we shoul dkeep on this time
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