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<0> P_O, and of course, equivalent charges wouldn't ever be sought.
<1> not b/c of what a book told me, or what a priest told me, or what anybody else told me
<2> DiscoTaco I dont believe is a Republican.. And yet he and I agree on most things but not all.
<3> L0c0, the experiences in your life tell you that its okay to condone child slaying because its convienant?
<1> i've had to face that choice twice in the last 11yrs
<1> and it wasn't easy
<1> trust me on that
<0> P_O, they are unrelated, totally.
<4> TheTaiIor, I'm asking Herzen that, not you, you're not the one who said you wanted to charge people who abort with Murder 1
<2> Dedannan is a Democrat and he and I agree on a lot and have sharp differences on other issues.
<1> herzen: that's the problem, when YOU think of abortion, you think of a fully formed baby as we see it outside of the womb
<2> TheTailor is one of my best friends on channel and his views are sometimes quite different than my own.
<0> P_O, that also doesn't matter, you are comparing apples to oranges.
<5> I often agree with Twobar, and so does he.
<1> that is not infact what it looks like in the womb at the time of most terminations
<2> Comet is my best friend on irc and her opinions are often not the same as mine though the majority of the time they are.
<4> TheTaiIor, I already got my answer from him, so I really don't see why you're arguing about the way I asked the question.
<6> L0c0: so people's look justifies killing them?
<5> hyperion: fetuses aren't people
<1> people's look?
<3> L0c0, Wrong. I think of a child within the womb whom when left to the natural course will develop into a fully formed child, to stand in the way of that development through artificial means extinguishes the life in the womb, and the entire potential life out of the womb.
<1> e-hernick: exactly
<6> e-Hernick: where is the line?
<0> P_O, I was just pointing out to you your complete lack of understanding, but lets drop it because you really aren't worth the time.
<5> hyperion: hard to say
<6> e-Hernick: babies born 1 month early are people?
<1> Herzen: yes you said it right there "i think" ...and that opinion works for you and that's a good thing
<4> TheTaiIor, wise idea.
<2> I will stop this, but I want to establish clearly that a broad range of views are represented here on this channel and I dont like it when people attack the channel on a false premise such as, we are all alike and very few other opinions are allowed.
<1> Herzen: but don't go trying to push it on anybody else
<2> All we demand on this channel is maturity
<3> L0c0, I said "I think" in response to you saying "YOU think"
<5> hyperion: that question is of course hard to answer, but I think that the third trimester is a good compromise
<3> [11:39] <1> herzen: that's the problem, when YOU think of abortion, you think of a fully formed baby as we see it outside of the womb
<3> Remember?
<1> I'm pro-choice in my life, i wouldn't tell somebody "Hey, you HAVE to be pro-choice because I'm pro-choice" no matter HOW much I've thought it out
<2> Ill end my point now.. We can move to any topic.
<7> nah, its far too late imo
<8> FM, from what I've seen the channel excepts all views as well as they are well researched and backed up by fact.
<6> e-Hernick: so you're against some abortions :)
<4> FreeMrkts, eh, the only thing I'd say about this channel is its right leaning both in population and in culture.
<8> accepts*
<1> herzen: read the last statement for the complete thought on that
<9> you know loco .. you just boasted that you take positions on irc that nobody else dares to take. Well, Herzen just did that. He took a firm and non-bending stand against abortion .. and it sure didn't sit well with you.
<10> here you go FT
<4> But I haven't seen any non-troll beliefs (or at least beliefs that weren't believed to be trollish) to be banned from here.
<2> PO, But not in party affiliation and not by design.
<5> hyperion: if abortion is to occur, it should most often been done during the first trimester, in the second when necessary, and in the third in severe cases
<6> L0c0: you seem to be anti-religious
<1> Cometbaby: no i didn't...i said that i say the things that nobody wants to say...like that TheTailor is an ultra-conservative bully
<4> FreeMrkts, I'm not claiming you and Comet are evil Republican nazis that made a right leaning channel, I'm just saying that's how it goes.
<4> :P
<9> Personally I don't seen many people willing to take the stand that herzen just took
<6> e-Hernick: well then we mostly agree except i think it should not be done in the third
<8> P_O, I think its a sociological thing.
<2> People who have seen me on this channel have seen me kick the teeth out of rightwingers as much if not more than leftists.
<10> FT Look up Executive order 10501
<5> hyperion: I'm against third-trimester abortions of viable fetuses who are not defective
<1> or that you and other ops can be major jerks when it comes to addressing people who's opinions you don't like
<10> http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo10501.htm
<4> Herzen takes a lot of stances that most people wouldn't.
<8> P_O, most liberal folks on IRC/INET are too rabid... I guess you could say.
<8> P_O, so you end up with less of a civil population.
<4> Eh.
<3> P_O, thats because i'm craaazy
<1> most often, your view is thrown out, and if a person persists...they're booted
<4> Fernin, I'm a crazy liberal. *shrug*
<3> P_O, because aparently, taking the stance that doing drugs is NOT okay, makes you a crazy totalitarian
<8> P_O, I don't think you're crazy. ^^
<8> P_O, otherwise you'd just be yelling and screaming right now.
<4> Herzen, you gotta admit that the sum of all of your stances is hella authoritarian though.
<2> For the simple reason that I have disdain for people who agree with me on many issues and are very intolerant and very absolutist in others, and they dont get banned unless they talk smack to me.. Slang: ghetto term for talk to me in a way which is inappropriate like call me a fascist or something similar.
<5> hyperion: I believe that it should be done as little as possible in the third.. But in cases of deformed fetuses, genetically defective fetuses, risks to the health of the mother.
<11> and runs around too :)
<4> DeDannan, no libral bak dwn
<8> Facist is used wayyyy to much in politics these days.
<5> All Hail the Liberal!
<11> P_O, dam u
<5> All Hail the Conservative!
<2> I tend to punish my own more than my enemy. if you want to call it enemy, it istn really an enemy its an ideological enemy who I may like very much as a person.
<4> DeDannan, srsly.
<3> P_O, Thats fine, I've said on this channel before that my social views are well represented among certain groups in the Republican party, and most of my views were held by Reagan, its not as though I'm a minority in North America and the ultra-Socially permissive Libertarians are the majority
<6> e-Hernick: heh.. so we agree :D
<1> its not an enemy of any kind..its a person with a different opinion...that's all
<2> PO, He came to this channel as a self described Socialist though.
<4> Herzen, actually, you are in the minority in America.
<2> I think he has changed his opinion on some things. or he realized he is not really a socialist.
<4> Majorly, so are libertarians, but you are too.
<1> now if they intend to do harm to you based on your opinions
<1> ok
<9> You know you can label herzen all you want to .. but I respect the fact that he doesnt take some half *** position on issues or hide behind some vague declaration that he attributes to some osbcure group or person. He says what he believes and he stands up to support it.
<1> i'd call them an enemy
<2> but he was respected by the ops when he claimed he was a socialist.
<9> agree or disagree .. he takes a stnd
<12> I don't think herzen is a minority at all
<4> CometBaby, he does indeed.
<4> rond, uh, I don't think you've heard all of his opinions then.
<3> P_O, Eh, atleast i'm not a minority in South Dakota ;)
<5> I'll tell you who the true enemies are: Vegan eco-nazis, Moonbats, Wingnuts and Fundies. The extremists are the plague. If it weren't for them, if the moderates didn't have to get their discourse polluted by the extremists, it would all be better.
<4> Herzen, South Dakota is part of Canada
<4> :P
<2> Much of Herzen is honorable, he is honest and straight forward, and I like him. Whether he is a socialist or a liberal economist like me. (Which means neo con)
<12> P_O I have had tons of private conversations with herzen
<1> i've personally never taken issue w/ Herzen...we often agree on some issues.
<4> rond, so have I...
<1> i'm talking about the ops/vops
<5> because the ops/vops are more equal than others
<6> L0c0: IRC is fascism
<1> e-hernick: hehe
<5> #politics might be facism, but some channels are ruled differently
<12> Herzens view points are not very minority at all
<5> I mean, the internal politics and police of this channel, very right-wing.
<3> ops/vops in here do a pretty good job once you've established yourself as a good person and a valuable channel member
<2> Anyway, Lets get beyond this and stop attacking the channel or its composition we dont choose that more rightwingers are here, libertarians and the like, maybe they appreciate the fact that they dont automatically get banned her for their views as many do on other networks.
<3> the only complaint about ops/vops on thsi channel, is that there aren't any here in the early morning when i like to chat
<5> I mean, why can't this be a democratic channel?
<2> Leftists are welcome if they can stop calling ops nazis, and debate issues rather than call names.
<1> FreeMrkts: not talking about the channel...talking about those that run it
<1> at least i am
<10> anyway FT, the Executive branch has authority to cl***ify and decl***ify
<2> l0c0, Then you are talkign about me
<1> yes
<1> i am
<10> through executive order 10501
<1> and to cometbaby
<1> and to thetailor
<2> And you object to me how ?
<5> The only people that should be called Nazis are members and former members of the national socialist party of germany
<1> and cryarvach
<5> and rats
<1> and glock21
<5> rats are nazis
<12> If you don't like the way the channel is moderated then go to freenode #politicssss
<6> lol
<2> IM not asking you about cometbaby or the Tailor, I said me
<10> you asked me to find it, i gave it
<2> You object to me how ?
<12> maybe that will suit your taste more
<12> I think it ****s over there myself
<13> e-hernicks...nope
<1> [10:42] <1> or that you and other ops can be major jerks when it comes to addressing people who's opinions you don't like
<5> damn rodents, always crawling within the fabric of our society
<6> i am new here.. i came from freenode #politics because it has 0 ops and often flooded by nazis
<9> Listen the Ops who run the channel are basically ftt, myself and pickle. The VOP/HOPs are enforcers .. they do not run the channel.
<5> eating our grain!
<2> And technically cometbaby and I run the chanenl in that we make all the decisions we want and can override any other decisions by ops though we dont like to.
<5> nazi rats!!
<1> same difference
<6> maybe having ops is better
<13> stated term applies to any culturally intolerant extremist
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