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<0> Ff
<1> Then said politician could benefit from knowing what is and isn't truly popular
<2> Politik .. the problem with political chat is the question of trust
<1> Trusting whom?
<3> the founding fathers had forums
<1> Not with people on the other side of the world
<3> what do you think the constitutional convention was all about?
<4> They were much less concerned about democracy than leaders today, (BY democracy I mean appealing to their voters rather than their higher principles). Though at the beggining of the Republic the people voted in the founding Fathers to President, some did good some did not. But almost a prerequisite in the earliest history was that you were one of the founders.
<1> And not at three in the morning
<2> the people on political chat are inherently suspicious of other users .. possibly with good reason
<4> Which is why you have I think Washington Adams Jefferson, (Correct me if I am wrong in the order.)
<2> is the person a troll?
<2> is the person sincere?
<2> is the person a nutcase?
<3> hence why i don't think that a local political forum where you can talk to the politicians is such a good idea, the guy running the server would be up all day and night trying to stop attacks
<2> does the person have a political agenda?
<3> well we all have our own agendas
<3> =)
<2> politik .. and when you introduce moderation (essentially control of discussion, who can talk and who can't) into the picture
<5> For the local riding here
<5> we had an online debate between the MP candidates
<2> you have an added value-based layer of suspicion
<5> People could log on and ask questions
<5> it was ok
<5> there were a couple of nutjobs though
<4> brb someone here
<2> basically a suspicion of what bias the moderator has
<3> i remember a long while back when Boris Yeltsin was president of Russia, he was invited to a forum hosted by CNN
<3> it was complete freakin chaos but i got to ask a question
<3> interesting guy, obviously there was questions of "IS that REALLY Boris?"
<3> CNN said it was, so *shrug* who knows
<2> like I said there are always suspicions .. lol
<3> hehehe *nod*
<3> i mean obviously it wasn't him typing=))
<3> its hard to type with a bottle of vodka in your hands
<3> hehehe
<4> Back.
<6> Looks like Bush himself authorized the Plame leak. This should be interesting
<3> heh hmmm... i think my question to him was if he felt that USA dropped the ball under Clinton in helping Russia obtain a more free, economically viable Russia
<4> Rusty the founding fathers had forums of their peers, not so much of the people. They were in fact rather eltist. Washington by far was the most favored President and could have been president probably for 4 terms. If not longer.
<3> J-Rod, actually Bush has the authority to do so
<3> FT, they actually offered him "Kingship"
<4> Under Clinton ? That also occured under Reagan and Bush41.
<3> if i recall correctly
<4> Rusty, I think thats exagerated but if ever there were to be a kind it would of been him.
<4> He didnt want it, he resigned after his term.
<3> FT, yeh thats what happened
<3> have to remember the constitutional convention didn't come around til 1789
<7> MarketWatch -
<7> SAN FRANCISCO -- Gold futures tapped $600 an ounce Thursday morning for the first time since January 1981, pulling other metals to multiyear pinnacles and delivering copper to a new all-time high.
<4> J-Rod, what evidence is there that Bush leaked the Plame thing ?
<6> Libby said so just now
<3> Bush couldn't leak the "Plame thing"
<6> it was likely part of the plea bargain
<3> Bush can authorise it
<4> How do you know Libby is being honest ? He was idicted for lying.
<4> indicted
<4> What proof does he have, it requires proof.
<3> not to mention the fact that Plame wasn't UNDERCOVER
<6> well so does our fuhrer
<6> ;)
<3> heh the lefties won't ever get it
<4> True, Plame was not a Covert Agent but there may be other relevant laws which cover it.
<8> headline
<8> WASHINGTON - Vice President **** Cheney's former top aide told prosecutors President Bush authorized the leak of sensitive intelligence information about Iraq, according to court papers filed by prosecutors in the CIA leak case
<4> J-rod, that kind of referense in this channel in my prescense is not acceptable.
<2> who authorized the grand jury leak?
<6> or right, I forgot this isn't a free country, it's IRC. :)
<4> We dont use Nazi Polemics against Americans.
<6> feel free to ban me
<4> J-Rod, this is a mature channel.
<4> and whether or not I ban you depends on how mature you are.
<9> feel free!
<10> f
<4> We have good debates both sides and other sides of issues when we have mature debators here.
<10> yes
<3> Bush being the commander in chief, has executive authority in matters of intelligence
<10> visit this nostradamususa.blogspot.com and visit the links
<3> HAHAHAHHA FT!
<3> LOL!
<3> not to mention Valerie Plame was not undercover at the time
<4> Rusty, The President has no legal right to disclose a agent anymore than anyone else does, unless I missed something.. Where do you get the idea that the president can disclose CIA agents ? Not that he did but why do you say he can ?
<3> uhh, yes he does
<4> Based on what rusty
<4> Yes he does doesnt work on this channel, Give me a argument as to why he does. or explanation at the least.
<3> i believe its under the Central Intelligence act
<4> In your opinion.
<4> Can you cite it ? can you cite an article which cites it ?
<3> ohh jesus christ FT, give me an hour
<4> I think the question of her being a covert agent is false but there may be other laws which apply.
<3> first i have to recall the damn name of the act
<11> it's too bad that both sides and other sides are rarely equally represented
<4> And I can tell you why, because it is defined legally as someone out of the country in the last 5 years, and other legal criteria she doesnt fit.
<3> I think it falls under war powers
<4> l0c0, I dont know what the **** you are talking about, since you argue 10 different sides and have for 10 years.
<6> CNN just retracted
<11> Breaking News: U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney apologizes for altercation with Capitol Police officer.
<4> CNN retracted what ?
<11> lol...now that jail was a REAL possibility, she got scared
<11> haha
<6> they said the leak wasn't regarding Plame, but regarding sensitive intelligence about Iraq
<4> Hmm. If it didnt enganger american lives, that might of been legal, I dont know, I would need to know the details.
<11> FreeMrkts: i've said it many times...I do not take party stances on any issue...each issue is different and i will determine my position as each issue arises in discussion
<2> Loco did she apologize for accusing him of being a racist?
<4> L0c0, Almost nobody here takes party stances on issues
<6> I am more worried about the erosion of seperation of powers, than I am about right/left politics
<11> riiight
<2> and implying that he tried to *touch her inappropriately*
<4> people here are very independent and take issues based on an independence which is strong.
<4> l0c0, Was that sarcasm ?
<3> the preident has the authority in all inteligence related matters to divulge national security matters to te people, thats almost word for word
<3> but i can't think of the name of the freakin act/law
<4> 10 Years makes me hesitate to ban you, but if your person is to diss this channel again, Its not out of the question.
<4> pperson = purpose, strange mistake
<12> `426Hemi: patriot?
<5> Oh boy, the Liberal leadership race is between a Pro-Iraq Harvard Professor and a former shill for the NDP
<5> That basically seals a majority conservative government next election
<5> since that alienates the Liberals base completely
<13> Abusive Domain or User
<11> How do I "diss" this channel?
<6> But the disclosure in documents filed Wednesday means that the president and the vice president put Libby in play as a secret provider of information to reporters about prewar intelligence on Iraq.
<4> l0c0, You loved Bush when he was governor of Texas you hate him more than a lot of people since he became president and the first time you admitted that was because you said he lied about finishing his term as Governor.
<11> i'm just not afraid to say what MANY chatters won't say on the channel
<4> Now, I support Illegal aliens, You dont..
<4> Who is more conservative ?
<11> but because it's something you don't agree with, as you just showed, i'm threatened with bans
<4> I am for drug legalization, you probably are too. but Maybe not.
<11> nope, i'm not
<4> YOu are a teacher and probably support the NEA Union, I am opposed to the NEA Union because of their stranglehold on public education
<6> what needs to happen is some runoff voting, and viable 3rd and 4th parties
<11> nope, don't support unions
<4> Correct me any time I am wrong.
<4> Ok
<4> thank you
<11> you're wrong twice there
<5> Now I don't support Abortion
<5> You do
<4> So you take the more rightwing position on that
<5> Who is more conservative?
<6> cause not everyone can be painted with a broad brush of left or right
<6> but essentially that's the choices we are given
<11> and i don't support ILLEGAL immigration, but I do support opening up more channels for immigrants to come over legally
<11> there's a difference
<4> l0c0, your own diverse opinions are an example of the diversity of opinions held by channel members.
<11> not really
<4> You know i hold very diverse positions which have pissed off the rightwing before
<14> good point, L0c0... funny how people forget to mention ILLEGAL
<11> if i'm so diverse, why am i always pegged as a "donkey" or "leftist" or "liberal"
<15> I'm opposed to abortion..and the death penalty....who's more conservative? :)
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