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Comments:
<0> cute spin...but pardon me if I am not mesmerized
<1> Look at the number of jews with nobel prizes, or that are rich or powerful, or are scientists or geniuses?
<2> if minorities could be a little more like bill cosby
<1> It allows them to create all they do.
<2> I would be happy
<1> Their culture.
<2> e-Hernick, u diggin uself a deep hole
<1> Their superior culture - I enjoy jewish-produced culture, films, music, writings, more than I enjoy muslim arab culture.
<1> And this is it.
<1> That's my argument.
<1> secular zionism.
<1> questions?
<1> misunderstandings?
<1> I don't consider myself racist.
<3> we should liberate them..
<4> heh i am a centrist libertarian according to that thing herzen hehehhe
<1> liberate who?
<3> zionists..
<5> Wow...ban gone
<4> 65% social permissive , 65% economic conservative
<2> i'm not socially permissive at all
<2> at 21%
<6> I can't say it's right or wrong, but I find it interesting that some stereotypes (southern americans (rednecks), men with longer hair (hippies), people that dress a certain way) are acceptable, and others (race, ***ual orientation) are the biggest taboos on the planet
<1> Also, I wanted to add that Hitler was a really bad person, and what Hitler did was and is a bad idea, correct? Therefore, one should strive to be not-Hitler, by eating meat.
<1> Fresh meat.
<7> I don't think that hitler's diet had anything to do with his politics.
<3> In a perfect world we'd all wear wrinkle-free jumpsuites :)
<1> Politik: no meat! that could drive any man crazy!
<1> or evil
<1> I have a fear of vegetarians for that very reason.
<8> Hmm, well, I think genocidal would be the word for the H-man.
<1> radical vegans are the devil
<1> think about the radical ELF/ALF PETAist vegans
<9> You exhibit a very well developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.
<1> the "macrobioticstapo"
<8> Do you guys vote?
<5> I am almost veggie...
<5> I only eat chicken and turkey now
<6> I vote
<5> no red meat
<1> "You are a communist: you have no sense of morals, and believe that man should exploit man, under communism - the inverse of capitalism!"
<9> I vote in every election
<8> And is your vote at all infulenced by any discussions you may have on this board, or anything that you may see anywhere, or do you vote the same way evertime?
<9> i consider local elections the most important
<8> Very cool.
<3> sometimes I vote two or three times.. & I'm Canadian ..lol
<9> no
<9> my decision is based on the politicians bull****
<8> why?
<8> Won't they lie to you faster than anyone else?
<5> 426....are you on the planning and zoning commission?
<9> yes but their actions are what decides it for me
<8> Ahh
<9> Rikkard no, i am on no commissions
<9> Politik obviously there are exceptions to the rule like a new politico
<5> You should try it
<9> Rikkard, i would ***ociate with a bunch of crooks, why would i ***ociate with a bunch of lying politicians?
<9> wouldn't
<5> Yeah, its a lot easier to bitch in the peanut gallery
<9> i have gone to town meetings and such
<8> Hemi, what would you think about a virtual town meeting?
<9> as long as you know the issues, arguing with the politicians behind closed doors doesn't get you anywhere
<5> How about getting involved, being on a planning commission?
<9> Politik, i don't think that they are worth their cost=)
<9> Rikkard, are you involved?
<8> What cost? A chatroom, a time, and everyone logs in.
<5> Oh yes, very very involved
<9> yeh i am sure
<8> Or at least everyone who wants to be involved
<9> Politik i think forums should only be open to those whoes lives are at "stake"
<8> ???
<10> 08:51:48 06/04/2006 LOG
<9> in locals
<8> Yes, a chat only for the people who will be affectd
<9> i don't want some idiot in Washington state in a forum that pertains to some small town politics in NY
<1> "You are a Social Liberal (83% permissive) and an Economic Conservative (80% permissive). You are best described as a: Libertarian"
<1> As I thought
<1> though I used to be more permissive
<1> I am slipping towards the center
<8> so if it were solely localized, would it then be a good idea?
<9> yeh E hernick i got 65% social permissive 65% economic conservative
<9> Politik, no
<8> why not?
<9> the costs do not out weigh the advantages
<8> what cost?
<3> stick with the better of two evils.. there's still a little honor amugst thieves.
<1> `426Hemi: 65/65? what did it tell you you were, a pinko neocon?
<8> A chatroom, a moderator
<1> :)
<9> there are server costs for one thing
<8> but those aren't prohibitive anymore
<9> e-hernick it said i was a centrist libertarian
<1> ah
<1> well, that's still a libertarian
<1> I'm slipping towards centrist libertarian too
<11> politik they have those already and they ****
<8> where can I find one?
<11> you have to submit questions in advance to special guests
<11> townhall has them for one
<11> the gop and dem party sponsor them
<8> wait, what if it wasn't an advance question thing? What if it was just the people getting together and talking?
<11> they are scheduled .. you have to be on the list to join .. and if you have a question you have to submit it in advance.
<11> it ****s ..
<11> politik you have that here
<8> Does anybody enjoy them, or are they generally useless?
<11> people getting together and talking
<11> they ****
<8> yes, but it's rather disorganized, yes? What if it were a little more structured?
<11> politik .. be specific. As I told you I have been to the structured ones they ****
<8> A structured chat, with a moderator. No guest, just a scheduled time, for a very specific local location, such as a congressional district or even a town.
<3> too much posturing..
<8> For instance, a mayor has a decision to make concerning the zoning of whatever, and the people want their voices heard in an effective way.
<10> Good morning. Finally something heading in the right direction.
<11> politik .. it would be difficult to do because the only people interested would be people, for example, from that location.
<8> Yeah, that's the point.
<8> It's not about getting a lot of traffic
<10> Mayors dont usually have say over zoning laws.
<8> Whatever, the point is that people should be given a voice that will have weight beyond just their vote.
<8> Because people can vote very, very stupidly.
<10> They may cast a vote. It depends on the power given the City, Usually its the City Council and planning dept who determine zoning.
<11> politik it sounds to me like you want a grandstand with a captured audience. You can open up a channel and try. I doubt if you are going to attract many people who want to listen to your rant tho :)
<8> Damnit, the zoning was just an example. I'm trying to say that the current way to get information about what the people think is by polling, and that can be very inaccurate. So what about just letting people actually say what they want? Each decision is given a discussion
<10> A Republicans form of Government is premised on the idea that people can vote into office people who are better at legislating and doing the good of the people, even when it is not popular with the people.
<10> Thats the ideal of a Republic, Representative govt. Not Direct govt.
<10> Or Direct Democracy
<8> Yeah, I know the difference between a democracy and a republic. But that doesn't mean that the politicians wouldn't like to know more about how their constituents are thinking
<12> Well, you can always email your rep.
<12> or visit their offices
<12> problem is certain congressional rep's will write you back and say you're wrong.
<9> politicians know what their constituents are thinking when they vote
<13> Good morning let me see who is here, Rusty, e, Comet, and Politik and fernin, Good morning.
<9> howdy FT
<13> well Sometimes we are wrong.
<11> good morning FreeTrade
<13> Thanks Comet, Rusty, Good day to you!
<9> having connection issues, my modem keeps crapping out about once every 5-10 minutes
<9> heh
<13> Its usually in the interest of a representative more so than a Senator or a President to listen to the people. But what defines a Statesman vs a garden variety political hack, is being willing to go against the constituents when you can clearly see its the wrong avenue to go with them.
<9> starts off fine, then slowly gets worse and worse and worse hehhee til *click*
<8> So the free discussions I'm talking about would be detrimental to the interests of the common voter?
<13> Good Government does whats best for the people, not whats most popular.
<14> FT: you elitist! ;)
<13> Debate and Free Discusssions on issues and exchange of ideas is never a waste.
<13> Hey Timur!
<9> i think that its pretty balanced really IMHO
<14> hey!
<13> IM just following in the footsteps of how the founding fathers saw America.
<8> The founding fathers didn't have chat rooms in mind.
<9> if a politician does something wildly unpopular his *** is getting tossed out of office, and i am talking on a local scale
<15> Ff
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