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<0> B) Bulldozing the homes of suicide bombers is hardly "collective punishment" either.
<1> ford prefect people
<2> CB Steele GOP??
<3> Glock21: I've just given many examples. Collective punishment doesn't necessarily mean that every last single one of them palestinians is punished - it means that great numbers are punished without regard for guilt
<0> C) Sonic booms are probably obnoxious, but not "collective punishment" either.
<1> hey, suicide bombers ? I say, take the fast lane to work today - uh huh, now, buh bye
<4> yep
<2> good...
<0> e-Hernick... you've given no example yet of "collective punishment"
<0> You've given examples of specific cases of people getting screwed over.
<2> he may loosen Gun restrictions in the state
<3> Glock21: obnoxious? sonic booms are a formidable weapon, as has been demonstrated by american tests over american cities a few decades ago - they have a serious health effect on people, they're more than obnoxious
<0> Disputes over where the lines are pissing off the farmers.
<1> get more specific about being screwed over



<1> it's not noon yet
<5> good
<2> e-hernick....crockpot science
<5> it's better than a full scale carpet bombing
<6> uhh... i lived near a military base, those sonic booms were considered "Sounds of Freedom"
<1> "Details ? Details? you want details ? You can't handle details" Nicholson voice
<5> which is what is arguably deserved.
<0> Families who live on both sides of the border are obviously going to be inconvenienced, but that is not a punishment... that's life when you live on both sides of a border.
<1> sounds of freedom eh ?
<4> The 37-page report says a sizable segment of likely black voters -- as much as 44 percent -- would readily abandon their historic Democratic allegiances "after hearing Steele's messaging."
<4> "Governor Ehrlich and [Lt. Gov.] Michael Steele have a clear ability to break through the Democratic stronghold among African American voters in Maryland," says the March 27 report by Cornell Belcher, polling consultant for the Democratic National Committee, which bases its findings on a survey of 489 black voters in Maryland conducted last month.
<6> we would all run outside and watch them
<1> more like liability lawsuit
<3> `426Hemi: not when they come at night and from right above you
<1> sounds of a good lawyer 426
<2> 426 tells his GF he is making the booms
<6> hahaha
<1> I didn't live near an air force base for that reason once
<1> great price though
<0> If you had family in Mexico you couldn't just waltz over to them either.
<4> The democrats are going to dig into their bag of dirty tricks
<6> e-Hernick, bull****
<6> i never heard one at night
<1> whoooooda thought you could find something for under $1000 outside of boston
<4> "knock Steele down."
<3> `426Hemi: I'm speaking about israeli sonic booms over gaza
<2> CometBaby...good...makes for Interesting Media coverage
<1> turns out - after a google, the air base had boatloads of superfund cleanup
<1> another reason I'm happy not to have moved there
<5> who cares
<6> don't sit there and try to claim something happened when if it did happen it happened on rare occasion
<0> Are you being COLLECTIVELY PUNISHED because we have border checkpoints and border patrols and fences on the Mexico border?
<1> yeah
<3> `426Hemi: and I'm saying that using sonic booms against a population is a form a collective punishment
<0> No.
<1> whocares
<0> Obviously ont.
<0> e-Hernick... oh puh-lease.
<1> being BORN is a form of collective punishment
<5> e-Hernick: fine, they deserve it
<2> Is Steels name Richard? LOL **** Steele
<1> it's not the dying
<1> it's the living that kills ya
<0> It's a nuisance.
<6> e-hernick no worse than hearing a BOOM from a suicide bomber on a busload of people
<3> Glock21: no, but the USA-Mexico border is not sinewy, it doesn't turn mexican territory into near-enclaves
<6> so stuff it
<0> e-Hernick... different borders... different shapes.
<0> Give me a break.
<1> if iraq just provided better education on how to become a suicide bomber
<1> THEN
<1> those whackos would off themselves all the sooner
<0> The shape of the border isn't going to cause collective punishment either.
<1> it's always 'those whackos' isn't it
<0> The collective punishment of the pals was losing the war and not having much say in how the post-war border is going to be.
<2> Glock..the poor illegal mexicans are being oppressed like the Palestininas...don't ye know?
<1> 'us sane guys' and 'those whackos'
<1> hmm
<1> tables turned
<1> enter B film
<0> But that was a long time ago... and not really relevant to this issue.



<1> ancient wise man once say 'long time ago always relevant'
<0> ****s to lose, I know... but that ain't collective punishment... that's reality.
<3> Look, I am a secular zionist, and it is my firm conviction that Israel must be supported so that it continues to grow stronger, so that is it a haven for all jews and a beacon of civilization. The palestinians are secondary considerations to me, but still, I find it important to recognize that they too are suffering, and that they are on the receiving end of collective punishment.
<5> Glock: but but but! it's just not fair!
<1> all is relevant if you care to make the leap
<1> 17 degrees of seperation baaahaby
<5> e-Hernick: then they are, for a reason
<5> and we're all familiar with the reasons, I'm sure.
<2> secular zionist??
<3> collective punishment is inherently unfair to the innocent
<1> we are
<0> e-Hernick... I don't care if you are the head Jew of the Universe... it doesn't give your arguments any credence when your arguments are full of holes and absurdities.
<1> collective anything is always disruptive to the minorities
<1> sure
<3> Cryolas: yes, secular zionist
<1> let's not call beans bacon though
<3> I'm not a jew myself
<2> the term Zionist already implies religious fervency
<1> ancestors e-Hernick
<1> ancestors
<3> I don't have any know jewish ancestors
<3> But I love the jews.
<2> so a secular zionist has no basis in fact
<1> knowledge is not the only path
<3> Cryolas: yes it does
<5> Cry: sure it does
<2> like hell
<5> I'm one
<3> Cryolas: I believe that the ashkenazi jews are genetically and culturally superior
<1> e-Hernick - did you see the organ regrowth yesterday ?
<1> 9 bowels regrown
<5> it's stressing the ethnicity and culture vs the religion.
<2> becausea Zionist is still a religious zealot
<1> from host cells -
<1> pretty rad
<3> Cryolas: and this is mostly why I support them
<7> although the main religion in Israel is Jewish, I don't hold all jews responsible for the happenings in Israel, not all israelis are jews, some in fact are arab
<1> ancestors ? jew ? suicide bomber ?
<5> Cry: no, I'm not religious, but I am Zioinst.
<1> no more
<1> no more relevant
<2> e-hernick ...culturally superior over Whom?
<7> i like to distinguish between jews and Israelis
<0> e-Hernick... you sound more and more like a total kook.
<5> in fact, most Israelis are secular.
<1> I say, when you got fresh organ harvesting, who cares about ideological differences
<3> Cryolas: well, over modern-day muslim arabs, for starters.
<1> really now
<2> Timur..they need to find a different term...
<1> I don't know which is more sickening
<3> Cryolas: the jewish culture has been time-tested/
<2> because to me a Zionist is a zealot...
<3> Cryolas: and has proven to be a very good culture.
<1> arabs blowing themselves to kingdom come, or americans griping over it
<8> Cryolas then you don't know what Zion is? :)
<5> Cry: no, they don't. The major early waves of Zionists were generally leftist secularists from E. Europe.
<2> and an Ultra-Zionist is no better thann a mujihadeen
<1> I can't taig it anymore
<1> zionist this zionist that
<5> no a Zionist just believes that the state of Israel has a right to exist.
<3> Timur-: yes
<1> I doubt any person has a damn clue wht they mean with the term
<1> really
<7> hahahah Cometbo
<2> ok
<7> LOL!
<1> the plane crashes, it's all good thigh meat
<7> I oculd see Comet all dressed up in camo
<1> you can believe me, I won't be saying, hey, that's a zionist thigh
<2> and the ultra-zionist is Israel over all
<8> Zionist = belief/supporter of a Jewish state/homeland, specifically in Israel
<5> DrD: I do. I studied the topic and have a BA in Middle Eastern history and politics, and have been twice.
<7> with a big *** m-50
<3> Timur-: as a secular zionist, I support the right of Israel to exist, and strongly encourage other nations to step up and help it


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