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<0> i'm eating a roasted turkey sandwich with whole wheat bread
<1> provinces are doing alright
<2> There you go. Gaza as the new model for the future of the Arab world.
<3> WASHINGTON (AFP) - Islamist extremism in Europe poses a grave danger to US national security and Washington must work closely with its allies across the Atlantic to tackle the threat, top US officials said.
<1> aww
<3> europe is next
<4> Unlike Iraq, they would not have to import an insurgency.
<2> oh well. Yeah that's all true.
<2> I think everyone sees this. Occupation of Iran is a pain.
<1> Yeah Iran would be a MESS to invade, we are lucky enough in Iraq that we can use the religious establishment to have SOME form of control going on there, in Iran we would be attacking the religious establishment head on and there would be no secular force to fill the void
<4> Maybe we could get one of the old Shah's kids to step up
<1> (whereas in iraq the religious groups filled the void left by the secular gov)
<2> we have the 'Muslims hate the USA' force un-multiplier.
<5> Bokavitch: you said establishment waaaaaaaaaay too many times
<5> lol
<1> I failed to establish the need to use establisment less to establish my points
<5> BWAHAHA
<6> Publius : I'm fine
<1> lol
<5> haha, good to hear
<2> that's established.
<1> lol
<4> How about green teeth?
<5> LOL
<1> But anyway, i hate to say this but the Iranians are pretty smart, they know that the europeans won't do anything when push comes to shove and they pull the plug on oil
<5> surlly: god no
<6> I've established that the established establishment has established itself into a establishment that will establish itself among many establishments
<4> Iranians are smart. And I beleive that while they may prefer to have a more "westernized" lifestyle, they would line up solidly behind the govt if we invaded them
<7> You know what kills me about this immigration debate ? The Myth that Illegals are underpaid, Low paid labor. They ARE NOT
<7> They make at least twice minimum wage..
<7> And sometimes a lot more.
<5> Flawless VIctory
<7> When I hear liberals and Republicans make that claim I know they are stupid on this issue.
<1> FreeTrade: depends on the occupation but yeah most make decent income
<5> your prize!
<7> Sure a minority make **** for wages.
<2> Americans are all broke because of divorce.
<7> But most of them make damn good ****ing money.
<4> FT; It wounds to me like the immigrant stuff is comming solidly from the right
<1> Most of the illegals i'vek nown work construction
<7> More than my wife makes and shes been an america for 41 years, I think.
<1> and get paid normal construction worker wages
<1> maybe a bit less
<7> Wounds ?
<2> If you earn okay money and both work and don't get divorced you'll do okay. But a divorce or two and other chaos and it's a life of being poor.
<1> Women = man becomes poor
<1> lol
<2> that's why a lot of Mexican guys do okay at these jobs.
<5> Bokavitch: a fact of life
<2> yeah maybe.
<8> haha
<9> Illegals should be inplanted with RFIDs and then deported
<1> Publius: like taxes and death
<8> insurance on the bike we are getting my wife for the year... $60
<7> The far right has a stick up thier *** because its "illegal" if the congress and president give them a means to become legal then they are "LEGAL" but they cant put 2 and 2 together and get 4,, The left constanly lies about thier wages making them sound abused and poor.. They make damn good wages send 100 a week back to mom and spend the rest as fast as they can here in the uSA
<4> Women weaken legs
<9> along the border put an RFID sensor
<9> the whole border
<7> This issue of.. "But they are illegal"
<9> and if they cross again
<7> Well Not if you make them LEGAL
<9> you deport them to a work camp in alaska
<7> DOH
<5> Bokavitch: if the male ethnic majority is complaining abotu being oppressed by a woman, that country is doing somethign RIGHT
<1> hahaha
<10> if you want to get rid of all the illegals fine all the companys and offer jail time to anyone that hires illegals
<1> Pixies: I agree
<10> boom problem solved, and all of the illegals go back to their country
<4> Pixies: I think that's what they are talking about
<1> 100%
<5> Bokavitch: that test might be as effective as my "McCain or Kerry" test
<5> hmmm
<1> it's a lot easier to cut their lifeline then to round them all up
<7> I just get tired of all the authorities on tv who in truth dont know jack ****, when did Hannity ever meet an illgeal ? When did COlmes Every Meet an Illegal ? Answer than for propaganda purposes, neither ever met one in their life and have no clue what one is.
<7> And thats the problem with a lot of the numbskulls in this debate.
<3> what does it matter if youve met an illegal
<4> FT: Ok, the make good money. Do they pay taxes?
<7> Ok Everyone has a right to an opinion, But doesnt it make sense to know the truth first ?
<1> Freetrade: They probably have them working in their homes and taking care of their kids
<3> why do you have to meet them? they are lawbreakers
<7> Surlly At least 50% of them pay taxes
<3> dont have to meet them to find that
<7> IN sales tax states 100% do
<11> Freetrade: I have never met a murderer.. does that mean I can not speak out about it?
<4> I meant income tax
<7> but 50% pay federal and state and social security taxes. probably a lot more than 50%
<2> Could be there are murderers on irc.
<2> and you have met a murderer and don't know it.
<3> FreeTrade: cite your source for that figure
<4> degi: Let me introduce myself
<7> ASt least 50% or more pay taxes income taxes.
<1> Here's my beef with illegal immigrants, I have relatives overseas who have been waiting 6+ years to get visas to come here, they can afford to hop on a plane and sneak through mexico but they don't, and they are the ones getting shafted by this ****
<11> FT: good part. Part of the "amnesty" should be them signing away any claim to possibe past taxes paid
<4> Bokavitch: I have a solution. You go live with them
<10> this country was built on immigration but we have a process for immigrants to come here
<11> Um, that _is_ a valid criticism.
<7> td, Its based on my anecdotal knowlege, I know most of them work in factories, factories have to hire them legally or else. And most consrtruction companies also pay for them the liability of not payuing taxes is way to high.
<1> People who come here illegally and have a total disregard for our laws shouldn't be given priority over people who want to come here legitimately
<7> I supervised them for a large construction company on multi million dollar projects, they all paid taxes
<11> IMHO: any illegal should have a set period of time, and then have to leave. THEN they can file for a new visa
<7> A minority of them who dont have full jobs, day labor, they dont pay taxes but then legally you dont have to pay them unless they make over $500.00
<1> surlly: what the hell is that about?
<11> yea, if the company isn't paying payroll taxes.. hard to turn around and claim "i didn't know he was illegal"
<3> I see
<7> But the ones on the street are usually the freshest ones, newer in the country, they are used for day labor, week labor etc.
<12> IMO illegal immigration is reinforced by the lack of regulation that comes with employing illegal immigrants
<7> The majority eventually get a full time job.
<4> You were complaining about how long your relatives were waiting to come here. You go to them. Problem solved
<12> this can be solved either by tightening regulation or relaxing it
<12> I think you guys know which I am for
<7> All they need is an ID card and a Social security card and then the employer has done his legal duty
<1> surlly: i'm not complaining that i want to be with them, i'm saying that they, and other people like them should have priority over people who came illegally
<7> God damn this DVD
<10> the only reason this is an issue and no one wants to fine the companies is because the companies want the labor
<13> surlly: im sure the problem isnt the ability to meet face to face, you isolationist you :)
<1> so how the **** would ME leaving the country solve that?
<7> bbiab..
<2> we should all start moving into Mexico. That'll show 'em.
<4> Well, at a minimum, I would not be listening to you bitch about it
<12> Bokavitch: wouldn't have to worry about it
<12> that too
<7> All I ask is people learn the truth on this issue before you make up your minds.
<7> bbl
<12> anyway, your argument is probably the most legitimate one I can think of
<10> mexico needs to fix their problems on their side and their president is more or less telling them to come here
<13> thank god for nafta
<14> finally i can join. Some kiddie must of had the same ident
<13> although the middle cl*** is still non existant
<15> where does the middle cl*** not exist?
<7> Back, Im stuck here until I get this ****ing burn right.
<7> IM a contractor, Ask me how many white guys or black have asked me for a serious job in 10 years ?
<1> How many??
<7> 1, Today and I told him if I get this job I am bidding yes, but i know him he is not very good as a carpenter I have to hire him as a carpenters helper at $25 an hour unless I can talk him down to $22.
<7> If he was really good I would pay him $30
<4> FT; See if you can chew him down
<11> Oh man, that is a work of beauty: http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Guns/Group4352.jpg
<14> why hire him at all?
<14> hire a good carpenter for $30
<7> I have a Foreman lined up who I have worked with before who is a legal resident permament has a contractors license, which would be impossible to get as an illegal and he graduated high school here 17 years ago. Anyway, I am going to pay him $40.00 an hour
<7> $40.00 an hour if he puts in 40 hours
<7> 35 an hour if he puts in less than 40 hours
<7> Carpenters that are good are damn hard to find in the city
<1> i dunno must be different out here, in Utah it seems like half the white people here are in construction
<14> are carpenters generally lazy? or do they have side projects?
<7> Now I can go out to the burbs and hire crack addicts, Or crank rather and they will work hard, but they are ****ed in the head.
<4> White people as in "non mormons"?
<1> as in mormons or non mormons
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