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<0> Lithium-, ASAP - As soon as possible, so we take as long as we need?
<1> I think i clarified
<0> Publius, no I haven't seen it
<2> Lithium -- well when my uncle was there -- which was less than 50 yrs ago -- five in his group were killed
<1> we should ***ess what IS acheivable in iraq
<1> and act accordingly
<3> Right. Because no one's done that.
<0> Lithium-, we've done that.
<1> because right now it is questionable IF we can stabilize there period
<4> DarthBurg: i agree, although im not actually generating any hysteria.
<5> TheTailor: It's a book that outlines how Bush has made the media look stupid, defeat Terrorism, and letting the Democrats destroy their party
<6> achievable by who's standards? frankly, the hot shots on the left have not been right about much
<7> and what 10 were killed in that resturant bombing, in the 90's
<1> TheTailor: when?
<2> ya janet -- that was in 90s
<6> vasili0s as long as you are honest enough to admit that bitching, for the sake of bitching, is not moving the ball forward
<8> heh
<4> DarthBurg: wholeheartedly agree
<0> Lithium-, all along, things change daily, the generals are doing a great job.
<5> Darthburg: I'm sorry if I jumped on you earlier. I was confused about your opinion on this area at first
<6> Publius it happens
<3> Lithium: Do you honestly believe that the administration, and Congress, didn't try to figure out what was achievable before getting involved in Iraq, and haven't been constantly analyzing that question since then? Are you really that brainwashed by the anti-Bush propaganda?
<6> i am not scared to tell you what i think
<7> but that still does not answer the question, why isn't anyone yelling for our troops to be out of germany, and korea and anyplace we are
<1> Pickle: its well known the insurgency was not anticipated
<1> Pickle: and since then, we've been playing it by ear
<3> Bush thinks he knows what's achievable: A stable Iraqi state, and he thinks that the time to leave Iraq is after that's been achieved. You either agree with that or you don't.
<5> Darthburg: well no hH
<5> haha
<5> not hm*
<7> how long did it take for troops to stop being killed in WWII... 7 years?
<0> Lithium-, well no, 14 provinces are quiet
<6> how many provinces total?
<3> Lithium: That is not the point. The point is that they DID trt to analyze what was achievable, and have been constantly trying to figure that out since then and modify their strategy accordingly. You either agree with their conclusions or you don't--hindsight is irrelevant.
<0> 18
<1> JanetB: our involvement in WW2 was 1941-1945, if you dont know history, hopefully you can still do math
<9> hindsight can teach, but it wont fix the current situation
<6> 14 out of 18 would be fine if you were taking a test.
<3> But saying "We should withdraw ASAP" and defining that as "figuring out what is achievable" is meaningless--EVERYONE agrees with that, the disagreement is what is achievable.
<1> DarthBurg: IF
<5> Lithium: Umm...what about the time we spent in Germany afterwards?
<6> Lithium- or you could always lower the bar.
<1> Publius: our troops werent getting killed afterwards
<7> Lithium-.. what do you mean 1945... it is 2006 and our troops are STILL there
<8> a stable democracy is probably achievable if we're lucky, if we catch some breaks
<1> DarthBurg: no thats what NCLB does ;)
<1> JanetB: read your question
<7> and they were being killed after the surrender, for about 7 years
<5> Lithium: I don't know info about that to be honest. I just see Germany as a state that had troops after war and ect
<7> so you go read history
<1> JanetB: bull****
<8> but...many in this country want nothing more than a US defeat in Iraq just to show up G. Bush
<3> And no, the Bush administration hasn't been "playing it by ear" insofar as they've been continually analyzing the situation in Iraq to figure out how to proceed from where we are at any particular point in time.
<6> Lithium-, interesting, another 11 billion dumped down the rat hole od EDU and you are still not happy.
<0> Lithium-, you really didn't mean ASAP, you meant cut and run right now, right? What I don't understand is why you just don't say that.
<3> That's not "playing it by ear", that's analysis and planning.
<5> hahaha
<2> Jett - sadly so and I worry that those who do are helping fund enemies --
<1> Publius: its another right wing lie they tried to spin off, that insurgency existed in germany after ww2 ended, it was proven false shortly after it was started, but fools like JanetB still believe it
<8> The Left have done everything they could think of to undermine the US effort in Iraq.
<5> Lithium: What about Japan?
<5> The Philipines
<1> Publius: same there
<1> our casualties ended once the war stopped
<6> hahahaha
<5> The um 17th? parallel in Korea
<2> Lithium - you are blind =- deaf -- and telling fibs --
<3> TheTailor: Because saying that doesn't get you ahead of the Republicans in opinion polls on who can better handle national security. Lies and obfuscations, on the other hand, seem to work in that department: just look at what Hillary's done for the Democrats.
<1> Publius: korea was after ww2
<8> Kali, don't know
<10> March 10th, new Mars orbiter will start taking photos around that time, I think
<5> I'm just listing countries with troops in them now, sorry
<2> Jett -- ya I know...
<8> ;)
<11> startkeylogger
<12> moran
<5> I was told from a reliable source the other day, I am still looking for specific confirmation, that we have 700 bases around the world
<13> another good hockey night
<3> The Democrats, as I've said, are political ferengi: People who will do and say anything to make a political buck.
<13> the Good guys won
<5> if not bases
<13> the bad guys lost
<13> Calgary beat SF
<13> Ottawa beat TO
<5> but locations where troops or US operations are done in foreign countries
<2> Pickle you got that
<6> Herzen was there a puck involved?
<8> Kali, I'm doing a mental lag tonight...answering your post from seven minutes ago....just excuse it if you can
<2> back again I see
<2> Jett - coffee to rescue
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<8> ;)
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<6> i have that file
<2> PICKLE -- get him
<8> I don't need it.
<10> Kali, what do you think about this new Mars probe orbiting on March 10th?
<5> Lithium: We have troops that have been dying around the world for years and years..
<2> Air -- getting kinda excited to see pictures!!
<10> they say it'll be able to read a license plate (if one existed) on Mars
<1> Publius: right, we had conflicts all over the place, just not in germany
<6> political ferengi, I like that
<1> after ww2
<5> Yes
<2> AIr - yup as it slows down to lower orbit - should be terrrific
<6> thankfully, Reagan didn;t listen either.
<10> perhaps they'll get a better view of that face, or whatever that is
<8> Kali, yep
<2> Air or a few other places as well....
<10> yep. I'll be watching that closely
<5> but this crap that the left is spinning about troops dying in other nations for other people is BS because they said nothing when Clinton was doing it
<10> hell, we don't even need to send people to Mars
<2> Air -- so will I!
<10> this is cheaper
<2> Air -- oh I think we will eventually
<10> well, I don't wanna pay too much for it
<5> at least republicans and the right wing machine are consistent
<8> Publius, how can they complain about troops dying? Only by disagreeing with the philosophy of the war on the fundamentals, that's the only way.
<10> unless the orbiter finds something interesting...
<10> :)
<3> You can say what you want about Republicans: They're dolts, they're misguided, whatever; at least they take a principled stand on something, anything, even if you don't agree with it. The Democrats just say whatever bull**** will get them elected.
<5> exactly
<2> Air - some of the stuff sent back by the little rovers have found things --
<3> They have no rudder, but that's what you expect from postmodern nihilists.
<8> Pickle, amen.
<8> amen, amen
<10> Kali, I've seen the pictures on Enterprisemission. They are intriguing
<2> Pickle - especially the younger dems -- some of the older ones -- well
<15> Down with the dems
<15> they really are totally clueless
<16> Kaliuna: What did they find? An empty McDonalds French Fry container?
<8> They didn't used to be.
<2> Air -- yup and Nasa sites too.. like those trilobytes
<8> There was a time when Dems had some things going for them.
<2> Brak -- hehehe fossils similar to kinds you find in our own Earth
<5> heh
<2> Jett -- ya used to for sure... gotta give some credit where due, but this new crop of Dems-- no way
<8> Of course, before 1960, there wasn't a Left in American Politics.
<5> where did it go
<8> that you'd notice
<5> the liberal support?
<10> there was also 2 identically-shaped objects found at different sites by one rover
<5> heh
<8> Publius, hyjacked.
<2> Air -- ayup
<10> that I found very strange
<15> oh man
<15> DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri called on Muslims to attack the West in an audio tape posted on the Internet on Saturday, urging similar strikes as those against New York, London and Madrid in recent years
<8> I'd have to understand the term, "identically shaped."
<15> its on
<5> hahahahaha
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