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<0> Here's another question. Why is it everybody says Linux is free, yet Red Hat Enterprise Server Pro along with many other flavors of linux cost $3000 to purchase? That money isnt ALL warranty and support costs
<1> Pilgrim, I dont get it..
<2> Red_Barch: actually; it is.
<3> a copyright was that, a right. it protected the artist for a reasonable time then allowed the work and the value to eventualy fall into public domain and that is how it should be
<0> Libertine: Every singly penny of it
<1> Scribers can be wronged but not the writer or artist?
<0> ?
<3> under current ruels I could have copyrighted Beethovens 200 year old work and sued you for playing it THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING
<1> Pilgrim exactly
<1> thst is how it shold be.
<0> Libertine: I dont buy that, because you can get windows server 2003 for much less
<3> no
<1> Eliminating the law isnt going to help that.l
<2> Red_Barch: well Redhat can't sell the linux kernel :) so they sell support and access to the "up2date" subscription server for redhat enterprise owners.
<3> it should revert to public domain for the good of all. Aristotle shoudl not be copyright
<0> Libertine: Actually SCO has been suing multiple companies for making money off linux
<1> Oh you mean copyrite'ing work which is known to be from someone else ?
<2> Red_Barch: it's not 3000 for a single license. for 3000 i can get 10 licenses.
<1> Thats not write and I dont believe its possible.
<1> er right
<3> under current DCMA rules no copyright EVER becomes public domain EVER
<2> Red_Barch: SCO is full of crap; they have won in court yet.
<0> Libertine: Explain SCO's billion $ lawsuit against IBM
<2> er have NOT won in court yet.
<1> Now if you produce it with your symphony the rights to your symphony recordings are copyrited but not Bethovens 5th
<1> What ?
<1> Ever ?
<2> Red_Barch: SCO claims that Linux uses some of their code; they have yet to explain what code that is; and refuse to do so :)
<3> that measn no one can build on quote use or otherwise benifit from a published work without hunting down and comensating each and every small holder (read that copretarion) who may object
<2> every judge so far as laughed at SCO.
<2> as/has
<3> it stifles progress creativity and gives the actuall producer of the art NOTHING
<1> Last I checked their were statuatory time limits on copywrite and patents. Maybe I am mistaken and its only patents.
<1> I will have to review that.
<3> for E*V*E*R
<2> FT: hehe time limits sure.. they keep getting extended.. thanks to Disney
<0> Libertine: But they feel companies are making enough off their patents to spend 50 million $ in legal fees and tie up courts for 3-4 years to protect their investment
<3> as long as a fe (bribe) is paid each 25 years
<1> Im going to check that out, I will be back
<2> FT: google "copyright, extension, and disney"
<2> FT: they will not let Mickey go into the public domain.
<3> used to be 20 years plus 40 year extnesion
<4> I don't blame them lol
<3> that was reasonable
<2> Red_Barch: look who is backing SCO :)
<2> Red_Barch: SCO has no money; they are being funded; partly by microsoft.
<0> Libertine: What kinda business model is that anyway? Make a product, patent it, give it away for free without making a profit, then spend the next 5 years in court suing anyone you think is making money off you
<2> Red_Barch: SCO never gave their product away.
<2> Linux is not SCO.
<2> SCO claims Linux code has stolen SCO code in it; but that is as yet - unproven.
<3> the thing is; us issaying :change your law or loose trade agreements. pressuring our laws onto everyone
<3> that is also not right
<3> as I said. take the time to read this http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jun06/3673
<3> Copyright is being turned from a limited-term incentive designed to encourage creative artists to a broadly scoped transfer of wealth from the public to the private realm.
<2> We'll have to pry Mickey Mouse into the public domain from the cold dead hands of Disney.
<0> pilgrim`: Isnt it funny how 9 times out of 10 America has the upper hand in trade agreements? For a country who isnt industrially focused anymore, they sure are in command when it comes to trade with foriegn countries
<2> we're a good consumer nation.
<3> the DMCA is a lie a fraud a BAD LAW
<5> Red_Barch one of the many reasons I thank my lucky stars to be born here
<6> America created God in its economy
<2> pilgrim`: yep, yep, and YEP.
<0> pilgrim`: And who signed the DMCA into law? ;)
<2> there is now; and may likely always be a war between content producers, content owners, and content distributors.
<2> the balance of power does shift some..
<2> right now it is soley in the hands of the owners.
<3> Red the best government money can buy?
<3> that article points one out: rememebr the recorders that could bleep out commecials? try finding one today
<2> yep..
<0> pilgrim`: Slick Willy. I remember him more for signing the DMCA than his other shenanigans
<2> they hate that Tivo lets people skip the commercials. they're still fighting to kill that one
<3> RealplayTV was one
<2> but i think that genie may be out of the bottle for good.
<1> Ok basically the problem is not patents or related things like copyrite and trademark. the problem is the confusion around all these things. And that you need a lawyer to begin to sort it out, it shouldnt be as complicated, LIke with drugs we see it all the time, they expire and they become generic its much harder with software and related type media. So what we need is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater
<0> ReplayTV rules
<0> They beat the RIAA in court
<1> which amounts to theft of actual property to a system which is clear and which is not as ambigous and poorly written which exists today.
<0> and you can trade replaytv shows freely with other users
<2> FT: heh, tell that to Disney.
<3> Free yeah you nead a weasel in suit to wipe butt any more
<6> Slick Willy was a communist at heart right?
<3> honesty works'
<1> The major problem with these rights is they are not clearly defined in ways that you can be ***ured you are not subject to risk.
<2> FT: compromise would be nice; i liked the laws the way they were. PRE-DMCA..
<3> Slick Willy I firmly believe was the Manchurian Candidate
<1> Libertine, I am not talking about any specific case I am talking in general about the complexity which is the major problem of the laws.
<6> In that he actually came from manchuria, china?
<3> Free they WERE DEVFINED> the weasels stole the rights
<3> all you need is a sub paragraph B adedded and it makes the law null and void and that is doen time adn tiem and tiem again
<3> its about time to leave this land and wait for the 2nd American Revolution
<2> pulgrim: odds are; it will happen in Dubai before anywhere else.. heh
<1> They are not well defined, it is an area of law which should be completely re-written to bring more clarity and certainty to the law. Example, we know shoplifting is illegal, its clearly defined.. But when you are using someone elses invention you dont know if he still has rights to it or not. because Part A was copyrighted in 1969 and part B was copyrited in 1975 and partC 1985
<2> er the U.A.E.
<3> Nero no, that Clinton was imho a plant the KGB nutrured and who outlived his handlers
<0> FreeTrade: Half of all small businesses will face a lawsuit in the next 5 years, especially over things like the DCMA and patent/copyright protection. What does that do to their budget and profit margins? Are we just so litigious now that the American dream is quickly vanishing?
<1> And if you make it beyond that then you have issues of Trademarks.
<1> and other things
<2> i wonder if i could live in the U.A.E. ...
<1> I just read an excellent disp***ioned legal explanation of all this.
<5> Law suits are always a potential part of the self employed business mans future
<2> they'd need to ditch their monarchy..
<3> Free read the article. http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jun06/3673
<5> most of us (businessmen) are big boy enough to handle it
<7> Pigrim is the US government's "Manchurian Canidate" for the 2nd revolution.. He was secretly indoctrinated while at Wright Pats AFB in 1963..
<3> Lupin no, Dulce NM
<6> What about Qatar?
<6> Did I spell that right?
<7> pilgrim: that is what they WANT you to think.. ;-)
<3> Lupine funny. I was at Wright Pat in 63 ;)
<7> pilgrim: i know you were.. i well.. know alot about you.. *evil chuckle*
<6> Yeah, Qatar is doing pretty well
<3> but by then the Greys had moved ops to a 5 sided building
<1> I am a small business And have never been sued, I dont make patents and a lot of companies dont. Those who do need to make sure thier material really is their invention and then they are safe. The problem is disputes over alleged theft of material like my famous musicians recordins which he wrote and someone else recorded and he wasnt compensated.
<6> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
<1> The problems are not with the original copyrite
<0> rond: But what about the public sector? Here in Dallas a widowed wife who's husband was tasered by the police then died on the ground with them still trying to get his handcuffs on won a half million $ lawsuit, and apparantly, the City of Dallas has 89 lawsuits pending against them in civil court. How do you cope as a city manager when 25% of your budget goes towards legal expenses and payouts to lawsuit winners?
<1> its with those who believe a copyrite has ended.
<3> Fre the problem is with law designed to protect being hijacked by other interests
<1> Nero20 I already havet them in my head roughly.
<2> I wonder if we could form a Pirate Nation...
<2> Yarrr!
<2> Avast ye copyright law...
<3> America was FOUNDED on pirates. we bought and sold un-tarrifed goods
<6> Rum runners
<2> tis true.. piracy is the ultimate economic freedom.
<3> we undercut Brit cloth for example
<3> and yes RUM
<3> and a lot of other things
<2> Arrrr..
<1> Pilgrim if you are the original artist and noone else has done it, you are sound footing, the legal disputes are usually over people using your work without compensation because they might of honestly believed the patent was expired.
<3> Free no
<1> And it might have been expired, I should say patents
<6> Arrrr, the laws of physics be a harsh mistress
<1> if you notice most products have multiple patents.
<3> Free you know you KNWO that it does not matter... It depends on who brings the most suits to bear
<7> pilgrim: have you ever wondered about that little nodule under your left armpit? Sure, your doctor said it was just a benign pollup.. nothing to worry about.. that to, was planned well in advance.
<1> http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20051111/boyd_01.shtml
<1> Here is a very good disp***ionate article on the issue. I dont read imp***ioned articles of opinion.
<2> Arrr, trademarks and patents be the devil's lovers...
<3> I can be "right" and be out $100k in legal bills on a 2 dolalr matter or I cna bend over and plead it isn't inserted sideways
<1> And law is often opinion
<3> that is reality
<1> What is the solution ?
<3> law is a way to steal and make it look good
<1> Saner and more explicit laws
<1> not getting rid of the law
<3> no
<2> pilgrim`: you trying to say it's too expensive to defend yourself in court ? no way! heh
<3> Jefferson was right
<3> wipe the slate and start over
<2> almost like.. people like the RIAA bully people ...
<2> oh wait; they do.
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