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Comments:
<0> the article is interesting
<1> loosens the resin right up
<2> Ethanol eats rubber.
<3> http://www.infopig.com/keywords/ethanol.html
<1> gasoline doesnt?
<2> That's correct.
<1> gasoline eats skin
<1> and foam
<1> paint
<4> bmc: skin has fat in it ... gasoline defats skin
<2> The rubber seals and what-not in older engines are not designed to be alcohol resistant.
<1> Yaakov a minor adjustment
<5> yea, above E-10 you need to swap out the entire fuel line
<4> bmc: gasoline does not "eat" skin
<0> I think the US shold allow foreign sources of ethanol at least until the domestic market can get its act together as far as distribution, etc go
<1> it burns skin
<1> close enough
<0> lupine: metal lines?
<1> alcohol doesnt "eat" rubber either
<6> L0c0-, yep
<0> tahts' where the costs come in iguess
<5> l0c0: yea, elminate all the rubber
<0> hoses
<6> this 50 cent tariff on ethanol imports is another cave to the agriculture lobby
<1> they can use synthetic materials
<5> linus: imagine how many billions they spend on farm subsidaries, etc..
<1> rubber is a petroleum based product
<5> just go to a freemarket ethanol system, and it will be far less cheaper
<4> bmc: rolf
<0> w/in the fuel system and engine that fuel line, maybe parts of the pump
<0> ?
<6> less cheaper?
<0> injectors maybe
<4> bmc: rubber is a tree based latex product
<5> brain fart
<6> heh
<1> it requires petroleum
<4> bull****
<2> http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=110094 # Toyota worries about rubber seals...
<4> I don't think you know anything about rubber, latex or vulcanization
<0> http://www.pa.msu.edu/sci_theater/ask_st/090193.html
<6> a lot of "rubber" is synthetic nowadays
<0> Currently, most rubber is produced using petroleum. However, more than one quarter of all rubber produced is derived from latex extracted from living trees. The two sources produce different types of rubber with different properties.
<5> OcDoc: bmc is ribbed for his own pleasure
<6> what L0c0- said
<4> Linus: then it's not rubber
<6> its dubbed rubber
<1> elastic substance obtained from the exudations of certain tropical plants (natural rubber) or derived from petroleum and natural gas (synthetic rubber).
<6> i wasn't the decider!
<1> OcDoc stick to medicine would ya?
<6> oof
<2> "Ethanol corrodes rubber, steel and aluminum - the entire fuel system had to be changed." http://www.eng.wayne.edu/page.php?id=636
<7> http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp508.htm
<4> bmc: you mean organic chemistry has nothing to do with medicine?
<7> pretty good read
<0> bmc's on a roll today
<0> hehe
<0> 2 for 2
<0> hehe
<7> morning folks
<1> ok, perhaps it does :P
<0> morning timur
<0> time for a ****, shower and a shave
<1> but they do make rubber out of petroleum products
<0> bbl
<6> i ordered bmc on a croissant!
<0> would sem so
<4> I can call can call endometriosis ectoplasmosis too, but it doesn't make it so
<7> bacon mayo and cheese?
<0> but the majority of rubber we wee is petrol based
<7> ew
<6> ew
<6> ha
<6> we wee
<1> i was not aware of the distinction between "natural" and "synthetic" rubber
<2> "Rubber" is a coloquial term, not a technical one. Synthetics are more common than tree products.
<6> all the way home
<1> i just thought rubber was rubber
<6> "rubber" is a term like "kleenex"
<4> bmc: now you are ... and synthetic rubber doesn't end up being the same as natural rubber, although it may be an elastic substance that acts like rubber
<5> bmc: of course not.. you got your ribbed rubbers, you got your "french ticklers".. you got your mint flavored ones.. glow in the dark ones..
<6> it's become generic for many products similar
<4> Linus: not before someone came along and called it that
<2> The WP has a good article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber
<6> so?
<4> Lupine is an expert on prophylactics
<6> girth control
<2> In England, a rubber is something that removes mistakes, not prevents them.
<6> ha
<8> rubbers are what you put on over your shoes when it is raining
<4> all the school children in England are required to bring rubbers to school
<6> i erase errors with my feet!
<4> galoshes
<4> rubber boots
<6> rubber baby buggy bumpers
<1> anyways, back to the point, they can utilize synthetic materials to help prevent corrosion and weakening of materials that are meant to contact gasoline and not rubber or whatever they use
<1> they already have alcohol vehicles, its not a new tech
<6> theres plenty of plastic/rubber poly mixes that could be used I'm sure
<1> im sure products are already in production
<6> maybe a bit more pricy
<6> we could adopt shuttle o-ring technology!
<1> not sure what changes youd have to make
<1> air/fuel mixture and injectors and such
<1> maybe hotter spark or something
<6> turn and face the strange
<6> ch ch changes
<2> The issue is the EXISTING population of engines.
<2> http://www.rubberimpex.com/RubberChemicals/SDRC02.htm
<4> love the one you're with ... a rose in a fisted glove
<6> barney rubbler
<6> de agony of fred's feet
<4> and the eagle lies with the dove ... or is it "flies?"
<1> i would spend a couple hundred to make utilization of ethanol possible, why wouldnt anyone else?
<1> cant be that drastic of a change, even in 30 yr old vehicles
<4> bmc: because I prefer to make my own choices
<4> instead of having them forced on me
<6> ha!
<1> thats the choice
<1> you wouldnt be able to use ethanol
<6> you think you chose catalytic converter?
<1> your loss, nobody elses
<4> Linus: no
<9> Abusive Domain or User
<1> why should everyone who is willing, be stuck paying high gas prices because some dont want alternatives forced upon them?
<10> I erase feet with my rubbers...and those who oppose
<6> if they can require us to be HDTV compatible...
<4> bmc: that is a misuse of words
<2> bmc: Try a couple of THOUSAND. There are many cars on the road that aren't even worth that much.
<1> couple thousand?
<1> your off yor rocker
<2> bmc: The parts are cheap but the labor will kill you.
<1> i can put a new motor in it for less than that
<6> thered be a transition period, as there was with leaded gas
<4> bmc: what I'm willing to pay for gasoline and what you're willing to pay is what makes a market ... whether it's a FREE market or not is up to your government, not you
<2> bmc: These parts are inside the engine and part of the fuel system.
<1> a brand new flex-fuel motor even
<6> bye
<1> how much do you think a brand new flex-fuel motor from GM is?
<1> i bet its no more than a couple thousand
<4> GM? yech
<1> or whatever manufacturer
<1> might pay more for foreign engines though
<4> okay ... back to monday work
<5> the US increased the cost of US sold vehicles by huge $$$$ in mandates for better than OBD-II emissions.
<5> They should have mandated E-25 compliant vehicles instead, far better results for the same money
<11> Lupine the increased cost is due in part to our stupid tax system
<1> Yaakov i dont of any internal engine components that would be affected, mostly with the fuel supply system and electrical system maybe, not sure about that part
<1> know*
<2> bmc: A REBUILT engine for a 2000 Buick Century is about $2000.00.
<5> the emissions of the current vehicles are very clean. we're past the point of dimishing returns.
<2> bmc: seals in the fuel system.
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