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Comments:
<0> where are you going with this?
<1> capitolism at its finest :)
<0> that you are somehow competent given you admittedly don't know anything technical about irc?
<2> I wodner if #Icons_of_Vanity is still popular.
<3> well, you have been pretty critical .. and you also boasted about how *you* run things. So I was naturally curious about your great successes.
<2> Or an of those #icon channels.
<0> we've had this discussion before, you just don't recall
<1> I've been op on some successful channels...before the split of efnet and the european thing
<1> When I used IRC II
<4> everyone has
<3> BeGodLike, I know plenty about IRC. I never said I didn't. What I said .. and what you didn't read .. is that I am not techie.
<4> everyone who is over 20
<3> hehe
<0> so irc isn't technical then
<3> yeah it is .. but I am not the techie one here.
<4> this line of inquiry is going nowhere
<1> And that was Metal. Then ps2japan....I was big on there....but that was dalnet. #rgvc....I'm sure thats around still
<3> BeGodLike .. my ability is running the channel. FreeTrade and I do a good job, imo, of running the channel. We lean to the right .. but we do NOT allow this channel to swing far right. Nor will we allow it to swing far left.
<3> that pisses just about everyone off :)
<4> being big on irc is akin to saying you have lots of time on your hands :)
<3> and EVERYONE comes in here and has advice on how we should run it :)
<3> and my question to them is always the same .. which successful channel are you running?
<0> lol so you consider yourself 'running' this channel?
<3> tht being said .. I have no techinical ability to speak of.
<0> well, obviously to a point you are
<0> outside of anything technical i guess
<3> BeGodLike .. well, I have the @
<0> oh ok then
<0> a back seat driver then
<0> i dont know how it works, nor do i drive it, i just tell ppl where to go and have others handle the technicals
<0> but I AM 'running' it
<0> is that it?
<3> right .. I'm a back seat driver .. our botmaster is the brains
<1> null: I'll agree with that :)
<4> ok so this is the lamest conversation on here in a long time :P
<3> hehe
<4> i have been much more involved on irc than i am now, going back to the early 90s. this channel is pretty successful, largely because of good real estate, and a couple of people who stayed interested over a long period of time.
<3> We haven't given anyone the @ on this channel is almost 3 years.
<4> i wouldn't go around bragging to anyone about irc, i don't consider it that big a deal, and consider my time spent on irc largely a waste, but it is entertaining some times.
<3> there was a time, back during the channel wars, when we have oh .. 125 op's on the bots.
<3> gawd I remember when we ran the channel with combots :)
<3> talk about hackable :)
<4> what happens to most large channels is that the principal people involved wander off, and that just hasn't happened to this one for whatever reason
<4> usually people lose interest in irc over time
<4> real life intervenes, etc
<3> Null, I think that part of our success is due to the fact that we have two channel leaders in here .. not one. FreeTrade and I run it 50/50 .. and it is a partnership that has worked.
<1> Funny thing...in 2004 I finally met in person a guy who I met on irc in the early 90's. It was great. He was in SF...and when I finally got to visit SF, he was still playing in bands
<1> I also met Hitoshi Doi in Japan on IRC....he showed me around Tokyo
<4> yes comet i think having two is an ***et
<3> when one gets tired and needs a break .. the other steps forward.
<1> I dunno....IRC is great
<3> it releives the pressure for one person to be here all the time
<4> i don't think having 20 is an ***et, i think that's a detriment :P
<3> Null which is why we do not give the @ anymore.
<1> I'm becoming good friends with a guy in the Netherlands right now....I think I smell a European vacation for moi :)
<1> <---- never been to Europe yet
<4> i think the new vogue is to basically set up a distributed botnet of between 3 and say 7 bots, and not op anyone
<3> Vemo .. yeah that would be nice. I think people from there are very friendly and its a beautiful area. Some real computer geniuses from there :)
<4> ie even the so called owners don't op themselves ever
<4> these things happen in cycles
<5> Null_Ptr: that's how freenode #politics is run. no ops, and a single bot to message and change the topic
<3> well, we kind of follow that policy .. but we are very hands on.
<3> I've never been there, so I have no opinion.
<3> but from what I hear .. it is very far left.
<4> well zaw on nets where there is channel administration, something like this is not needed
<4> that's a function of the type of network
<4> efnet is anarchy, so only strong arm tactics survive
<5> nah, freenode #politics is a mixed bag. there are anarchists and constitutionalists
<5> and everything between
<6> On FreeNode #perl we currently have 426 nicks in the channel and no ops.
<4> if you're so enamored, why aren't you there now :P
<5> Yaakov: right, it's a good policy
<1> Actually...Publius and I might go to Japan together this fall
<3> zaw .. thats good. I only know what I have heard.
<5> Null_Ptr: i am :)
<6> I try to have my channels ALL ops.
<1> I don't know him too much...but I'm cool with that
<5> Yaakov: are you the same Yaakov from #windowsnt years ago?
<6> Yes.
<0> a channel thats setup properly needs no persons op'd at all
<5> haha, i thought so :)
<4> that's correct
<5> BRAIN.YAAKOV = Yaakov has a large, high-performance brain in much the same way someone who owns a 1972 Winnebago can be said to have a large, high-performance home.
<6> In #regex, here, for the first two years we opped everyone who was in the channel more than 48 hours.
<3> BeGodlike .. I suggest you set one up here on efnet. Good luck :)
<0> and when tharts done, there's little room for biased decisions
<4> CometBaby on efnet, the only way that would work is to admin through a botnet. they're talking about networks where there is channel administration.
<4> ie ChanServ etc
<3> yes, but they are on efnet
<3> because it is the wild west
<3> change .. there is always change
<4> the idea of channels having long-term owners has been largely disavowed, that is why people like efnet
<3> people have to be willing to change
<6> chanfix changed that... This channel could be mightily annoyed but takeovers are no longer possible.
<4> on other networks, someone registers them, and that pretty much becomes their doom
<3> yaakov right
<5> when people believe they are part of something and equal to others, they tend not to attack it. when people see some form of establishment claims authority over them, they may choose to attack it. especially if that authority bans them due to their opinions.
<4> people can only stay in control as long as they stay interested, and that serves everyone's good, because an "owner" being "in control" but not actually there is not in anyone's interest
<4> channels like that should, and do, wither and die right away
<6> THE NAME OF THIS CHANNEL IS POLITICS, PEOPLE!
<3> lol
<4> no, this channel is for talking about irc channel administration tactics
<7> Ok Null_Ptr
<3> null .. hehe
<6> dam|an: status
<3> well you can love us or hate us .. here we are .. and here we stay
<4> you're here to stay, as long as you keep interested and coming around a lot
<6> dam|an: no, This channel is for booting meme theives.
<4> efnet is not permanent hehe
<6> Hmm...
<3> and if you think I am far right .. you're nuts. Generally, the problem is that I am not left, either :)
<4> efnet is a constant battl
<4> e
<4> anarchy is the best one word summary
<0> post chanfix this is not 'wild west' there is no 'battle' here ffs
<4> but that is the best system for something like this
<3> BeGodlike you know pre chanfix it was chaos .. but it was also a hella lotta fun.
<4> BeGodlike you must not get out much :P
<3> yeah I rode splits and had a ball :)
<0> i'll admit it was more fun
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<5> CometBaby: from what i've seen in here over the past few years, it's not that the ops are far-left or far-right, but rather that they are egomaniacs.
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<4> zaw haha
<4> zaw the peril of power
<3> Zaw .. which is why we don't give the @ anymore.
<0> maybe he was referring to the current ops
<3> once you give someone the @ they become difficult
<6> If this channel wasn't inherently uncomfortable to those who are pissed off at the right, it would die.
<3> BeGodlike well, I realize that .. but people will refer to me like that .. no matter what I do.
<3> I accept that fact and move on
<0> he may not have been referring to you at all
<3> its not personal.
<5> hehe, yeah it's kinda fun watching people come in here with their 'Bush ****s!' attitude and getting banned, then coming back with botnets to attack
<3> I try not to get emotional about irc
<0> or technical
<3> right :)
<5> irc imitates life
<6> CometBaby: You ARE an egomaniac, it is part of what makes you lovable--and lets you keep running the channel.
<4> i mainly come here because the conflict is interesting... this channel is a magnet for people i consider retards and/or ideologues, some of whom are channel regulars and "in power" and some of whom just blunder through... but if i only wanted to read thoughtful commentary, i wouldn't look to irc, would i?
<5> Null_Ptr: haha, right :)
<3> thanks yaak :)
<6> Hey, I am thoughtful!
<6> Also insane, but still...
<3> lol
<4> i'm not saying that thoughtful commentary doesn't exist here, but the medium lends itself to a lot of bs
<4> and i would say the bs factor here is higher than usual but that's part of the allure
<4> the subject itself "politics" lends itself to attracting a bunch of people who "believe" stuff that probably isn't reasonable or thought out, but in which they have no doubt :)
<3> some of the most annoying things, imo, is that people are so quick to slap a lable on another, for no other reason than to intimidate them into being quiet.
<6> Null_Ptr: You are clearly a flaming liberal commie gay homo***ual, and probably Jewish.
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