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Comments:
<0> Gnar: if you don't want to be treated like an idiot; then say something worth my time... heh
<1> Maybe if you weren't such a defensive little tit we might be able to do just that.
<2> Stop being a *****.
<3> Read the book "leftism Revisited - from De Sade to Marx, Hitler to Pol pot" by let me get you the author I can never remember his name one of few people to actuallly delve deeply into the intellectual meanings of left and right, I will conceed he is a bit eccentric and I dont agree with all he wrote but to not read him is to have missed something in life noone interested in politics miss..
<3> one moment
<4> chrono-z kiss my ***
<5> Gnar: the defining charactaristics of the dichotomy between what we call leftist and what we call rightist
<0> i vote libertine :)
<4> schiros: i only named one
<2> If I don't will you cry?
<4> and its correct
<5> Gnar: no, it's not
<4> yes it i
<5> I know that you think it is
<4> you're wrong
<0> too bad there isn't a libertine party... libertarian works for now tho
<5> but you're _factually_ wrong son
<4> i know you think you know it all. but you're wrong
<4> son
<5> there's a whole body of knowledge about this kind of ****
<4> and?
<3> Leftism Revisited: From De Sade and Marx to Hitler and Pol Pot
<3> by Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihin (Hardcover - February 1991)
<5> and it clearly defines what those words mean
<3> Dead now but a brilliant Austrian intellectual who fluently spoke something like 7 languages. and is extremely well read.
<5> they mean that because there's an accepted definition for htem that everyone uses when speaking or writing
<4> im still not convinced.
<0> FT: eh; De Sade was a libertine.
<4> you'll have to do better than "I know more than you so just trust me"
<5> dude
<6> FreeTrade so, if I read all these... wonderful books, will it tell me why rewarding bad behavior is a good thing?
<4> cause you dont impress me
<0> tho.. not our best role model..
<3> The part I have difficulty with is his catholicisms influence on his book.
<5> nobody who has ever written about any kind of ideological differences has _ever_ used the definitions that you are
<4> so you really think conservatives dont want to keep the status quo and liberals want to push past it?
<5> now, you can make some up for yourself, but all that's going to do is confuse everyone else
<4> im sorry you're wrong
<5> because your words won't convey what you mean
<3> Darth, no but if you study the history of America and most of the people we have holidays before and worship in america as great leaders almost all of them disobeyed laws.
<5> Gnar: it depends on what the status quo IS
<4> im repeating what i was taught in college
<4> did you even go?
<0> Gnar: how would you explain Edmund Burke's views in relation to your own on conservatism?
<5> HAHAHA
<5> yeah, thanks
<4> you did?
<0> Gnar: if you can answer that question, i will be impressed.
<3> Thats true of a lot of great world personalities such as the anti communists and the french resistance and Ghandi
<4> no i cant. would i be a welcome member of the know it all club if i could?
<5> dude
<3> But anyway back to the topic, Libertine is not sadism
<5> it's Edmund Burke
<4> yeah and?
<3> ]De Sade was a sadist hence the term sadism
<3> sade
<5> he's the father of conservativism
<3> de Sade
<3> he was a sick sadist
<4> and i havent read his books.
<0> FT: heh... nothing wrong with a little sadism now and then.
<4> if i did could i act like a snob know it all like you?
<6> I see, so since a few hero's broke the law, we give a free p*** to alien invasion. got it.
<5> right, so the point is, people who HAVE read them are in a better position to know what the words mean than you
<4> schiros: in your opinion
<3> Libertine simply means to be ***ually without constraint or withour boundaries, its to live for sensual pleasure which to me is the baseist instinct of man.
<5> and, more importantly, conservative/liberal != right/left
<4> i still think im right
<0> Gnar: if you're going to talk about conservativsm; you ought to go read on the people who originally created it.
<0> FT: there are elements of being libertine outside of *** ya know :P
<4> oh please...
<5> Gnar: that's fine, but then you're only existing in your own little world
<3> That the first think man discovers in his enlightenment is that there is much more to life than sensual pleasure.
<4> you guys are in here all day talking like you know something
<4> if you know so much why are you in an irc channel 24/7
<3> and in fact people addicted to ***ualism are generall miserable people.
<4> give me a break
<0> Gnar: go read up on Burke and you'll see why we're a little miff'd
<3> Because it is like an addiction.
<4> bunch of irc snobs who think they know it all...
<5> you can't ever step outside of it to engage the libraries of knowledge that exist on this subject
<5> *sigh*
<5> alright
<3> You desire it you must have it, you are in pain if you dont get it.
<5> you're 100% correct dude
<5> whatever you say is true
<5> we're all wrong
<4> schiros: you dont know it all. so quit acting like you do
<5> you're the big winner at the casino tonight
<0> FT: the same could be said of anything; drugs, women, money, american idol :)
<5> who's the big winner? Gnar. Gnar's the big winner, Gnar wins.
<0> it is our power over our desires that help define us; not our dependence on it.
<3> Check out for referenes, Christianity, Buddhism, The Bhagavad Gita (Most famous of Hindu Religious stories), and a lot of philosophers have also come to the same conclusion.
<4> schiros: yeah you wont convince me of your points based on "i read more about it than you so i know it all"
<4> that **** doesnt cut it man sorry
<3> And I am an atheist.
<2> "i heard it in college" isn't exactly rock solid either.
<4> your whole debate is "you're wrong cause i've read more about it"
<6> see, i am from the old school, and that says when confronted with a set of rules, you get to make a decision. the risk comes in the consequences of the decision, and how it is effected by the rule, IE something illegal. Little did I know that if you broke the rules, you got rewarded, I always got busted.
<3> But see I dont discount truth whether it comes from christianity or from Whats his name....
<4> chrono-z: would it be better if i pulled it out of my ***?
<3> Alexstor Crowley
<7> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/4/225033.shtml?s=ic
<7> rofl
<3> so
<3> sp
<8> FreeTrade: Aleister
<2> You might as well had pulled it out of your ***. Atleast these guys have a source.
<0> FT: heh.. you forgot Cagliostro.
<3> Gnar, why are you hostile ?
<5> _Forbin: well, it's cool if you're just a womanizer who loots the estates of dead Republicans
<4> freetrade: cause a bunch of snobbish know it alls are all ****ting on me thats why
<3> Libertine, are you truely Libertine or are you actually Libertarian ?
<5> but the entire country? thats going too far
<3> There is a HUGE difference between the two.
<3> I am pretty Libertairan
<4> chrono-z: the one point i made is probably documented by these sames ources they're spouting
<5> FreeTrade: not so much of a difference between Libertines and Objectivists though
<3> Libertarian I mean but I am not an absoluteist.
<0> FT: heh
<2> Probably and maybes don't cut it.
<0> FT: im not an absolutist about anything; but im very libertarian; and I am a libertine.
<3> Libertines deals strictly with ***uality and ***uality, Libertarianism is a philosophy of Politics and governance.
<3> ***uality and sensuality I meant
<0> FT: yep. they are not the same thing.
<4> hey schiros:
<4> Reactionary (or reactionist) is a political epithet typically applied to extreme ideological conservatism, especially that which wishes to return to a real or imagined old order of things, and which is willing to use coercive means to do so.
<3> A Libertine is nothing like a libertarian at all..
<4> i.e. nazism
<3> One might claim to be both but the meanings have nothing in common at all.
<4> now let me find revolutionary
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<3> The words have nothing in common
<0> FT: so long as my liberine beliefs do not violate the non-aggression principle; then I do not see how I am odds with being both
<3> Libertine, Let me show you what libertine means, I have know this for decades but Let me show you
<0> I know what libertine means; but im happy to listen.
<3> Definitions of libertine on the Web:
<3> a dissolute person; usually a man who is morally unrestrained
<3> debauched: unrestrained by convention or morality; "Congreve draws a debauched aristocratic society"; "deplorably dissipated and degraded"; "riotous living"; "fast women"
<3> wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
<5> wtf
<5> when did PGP start charging?!
<4> you see what i posted schiros?
<4> or do you not want to talk now that i proved you wrong?
<5> Gnar: I already told you dude, you're the big winner at the casino tonight
<5> you won
<5> good job
<3> libertine
<3> A noun
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